He probably needs nothing if the top 3-5 receive mediocre nerfs. He's not bad he just doesn't compete well vs the current top tiers who have slightly better everything(hp/range/mixups/etc). He's got a solid toolset though so I don't expect him to receive buffs. I'd like an extra 25/50 hp though.
At 12:03 did this guy mash out of a fucking combo? lol
gief players are wild. it should've been 5-2 me tbh but I'd never played the guy before so i had to complete the download
Giefs always have, and always will churn the butter when they're getting hit. If you drop the combo you eat an spd, if you try and reset you eat an spd, if you do anything other than hold up you'll eat an spd. It's not exactly smart but they literally all do it from time to time.
Lul S2 has been live for months and you're STILL downplaying Guile?! The character is fucking great and you know it, not OP just really solid. Nobody here is claiming you're a "tier whore" or that "you would be shit if you didn't use Guile" but seriously man quit it with the downplaying, and stop trying to dress up as Guile
Eh. Not to defend shazzy but guile is Karin great, not top top Urien/rog tier great. He's probably in the 6-8 range. He didn't move up that much in s2 he just got a new group slightly in front of him. That said guiles still reallllllly good.
listen man I hear it all the time playing on streams how Guile is op and even from some decent players
agreed.Guile is really really good but he still has to play street fighter. The other top of the tops dont.
that's all I'm saying. But 80% of people pool him with cammy, Balrog, Laura, in Urien where they see him as one of those characters that "has to be nerfed in the balance patch man Capcom messed up buffing these characters " or "all you see is Laura, Guiles, Uriens, rogs and cammys in ranked 24/7 man" I see it everywhere
cammy isn't busted like the other 3. She's super strong but she's not as fundamentally flawed as Urien/Rog are.
I rink it's easier to beat a bad cammy player than other toptier characters but she still could be toned down. Too much off st.lk, st. Mp shouldn't be +3 and b. MP aa hitbox adjusted like birdie's was
Karin, cammy, and guile are the honest top tiers. They play SF and just have slightly better tools than the rest.
3>4>2>5.
Guiles vtrigger, Bison's reverse, Karin's jab resets, a couple of Cammy's buttons should be adjusted so that the lower characters can be brought closer without making opening possibilities for more flawed characters through over buffs like Laura Rog and Urien but not over nerfs like what they did to Nash and Ryu slightly. Season 1 Ken or Ryu didn't need to be nerfed because Fang could've used some adjustments to his vtrigger and poison mechanic, they shouldve been nerfed independently of Fang being lower tier. Xian admitted Fang wasn't a bad character in season 1 at least not low tier. People decide character buffs on how toptier their character isn't/how bad they use the character without considering how broken the toptier was in the first place. Laura was fine, could've used adjustments to add fresh layers to her sure but Capcom shouldn't give them their cake of toptier nerf going into season 2 and then let them eat it with random command grab buffs\ comboable overheads lul
Even I said early when Guile was released that the match had to be 7-3 but after playing it more and more, I considered it to be 6-4. (The Nash match was much worse than this) As it goes into season 2 I think its the same as the buffs for both characters seems equal to each other. The users of either character know the little things within the matchup that the viewers do not notice which does get discussed a lot, thats not to say that other peope do not see these things but it does seem that a lot of people have an odd hive mentality.
I forgot to mention that mashing ex spd on hit isn't the only thing they do. They do it on block and apparently it works in between 3f gaps effectively giving them a 2f interrupt move you can't walk out of range to bait because you can't shimmy the range
Ex SPD should only work on 5 frame gaps but maybe there is some way that it can outrange a move while avoiding it's hitbox? Idk, it's a risk of losing meter. Seems like ex RBG would be a better option because armor on frame 3.
