Yeah I would put REO and PL around the same spot, based on their average across the 3 games. I'd probably put REO a little higher though because he did do better in MKX, while their MK9 and Injustice resume are about equal
Does ESL count? Because PL was in a couple of ESL MKX offline top 8s I think. Aren't they about even in MKX since REO doesn't really compete anymore and most of his top 8 success was very early? I may be wrong.
Lol. Well, we can tell you don't follow esports. So let's break this down.
I understand there's more value in picking up players besides an ability to win every tournament for their sponsors. But what i meant by sonic fox and scar being picked up for the money is nrs being pumped with more money = more interest in the game = more people = more promotion.
Funny that you say that whilst lording over and shitposting in the SFV thread, but I digress.
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Forget the whataboutism it's about what it is. And if the same grown men nobody has heard of outside of people on this site or in the case of being a "character" like Brady, feeling themselves over being second fiddle to sonicfox or whining on twitter or making secret little clubhouses calling it "the real nrs community" are "top players" 4 years in a row plus the game dying slowly after the first evo, then a small flicker after "the patch" then we do it all over again, is Pryce really wrong when he talks about the community? Ignoring it or even enjoying it is your thing but he has a point. Guys like UltraDavid or Chris G just dip their toes in this community for a reason. I'm not saying let's change the nrs community or put some people's head on stakes I don't care that much, just asking if he's actually wrong lul
I hear you. But I think there's a big factor missing here, and it's this: Mortal Kombat is a classically American franchise in a sea of mostly Japanese products.
) and had its birth at the height of the American arcade explosion and during the American Karate craze. Marvel features Western comic book characters, so it kind of retains a bit of that as well.
That's a cold take, and one I don't think people would argue against. Guys like Pig and Tom and others can be absolutely embarrassing and unbearable at times, yes.
I don't know if you're being disingenuous or naive enough to believe that this doesn't happen in other communities. I'm not saying that it's okay because of it, it's equally obnoxious, but it's there.
I don't doubt that the people the community listens to the most for some reason can be absolutely unbearable, but is there not also the probable idea that they don't like getting talked back to? Fuudo for thought.
That literally hasn't happened since MK9 first Evo. IGAU and MKX second Evos were big events that held some of the highest level of play at the time. MKX second Evo was a bigger NRS event than every previous tournament that came before it. Where's that logic come from?
Ok: so can you name one fighting game community outside of Capcom that UltraDavid more than 'dips his toes in'? I mean, that's what he and Chris (along with other people like Maximilian) do. They dip their toes in a bunch of things, mostly during the first year of release. But UD and Chris know where home is -- and again, that's because of a history that goes back decades. Not just the games, but the people playing them who are old friends.
The thing is the community is so small here that you can't just hang out at a different lunch table like Capcom. I don't even think it's that bad over there but of course you have bums like LTG or bums who actually have skill like Wolfkrone but they're not the role models. You can watch Pr Rog, Floe, Wong, Ultrachen, KBrad, Daigo, Topanga, Infiltration, Xian, ISDD, Valle, Nuckledu, NyCheisG, Smug, Sabin, there's the European guys, literally any Asian streamer like xyzzz or poongko. At least a dozen more too. And there's the little guys who still pull hundreds of views who are not cancer and don't charge you for " a block of their time" or whatever that other guy said in this thread. I even pulled into Wolfkrone and LTG's stream from time to time and they don't charge people for advice lul.
Who's next?
I agree with this too, but I also think that a lot of this would be subverted if you went to a tournament and interacted with these people. It's not quite as bad as you might think. Like most, there are little cliques, but none that are so unapproachable that you'll get roasted in person for even thinking of being in their presence. However, I can see why this can be thought, and I do have to acknowledge my privilege of being close personal friends with more than a few of the "top" players.
I agree this is a major issue going forward and one that I hope will be addressed. The endless, pointless Skype calls on streams that exist pretty much to, like you said, gossip and stuff can at times be a bit much. I don't think it will (nor should) go away completely, I just think the alternative needs to be presented, which doesn't happen very often.
You misunderstand. I have never disagreed that there needs to be a lot of swamp draining, I disagree that it is murdering the scene. That kind of melodramatic talk needs to go right down the toilet along with a lot of the other stuff because it's not true and it's not helping anything.
We're talking about the community, something totally different than a debut of a beloved franchise's new game. I do agree that DC or MK fgs have potential in that way I think Echofox realizes that there is potential in nrs games specifically Injustice 2, but again I think it's it's a numbers thing not a, "I love seeing the enthusiasm on tym" thing which was King Hippo's point.I hear you. But I think there's a big factor missing here, and it's this: Mortal Kombat is a classically American franchise in a sea of mostly Japanese products.
There's something about this which feels like 'home' and fits in right alongside other American-developed titles like CoD and DotA.
For example, 80k people weren't tuning into the Fatal 8 because of the prize pool -- it was because it was the return of Mortal Kombat; and that's a big deal in 'murica, South America, and Europe. Ed Boon is something of a star here and when he says "hey guys, I'm announcing a new Mortal Kombat, watch this event" the Western world gets excited in a way that's not going to happen for say, Tekken or BlazBlue.
SF is really the only other title that has that sort of impact, and it's because it featured Western-looking characters (sorry Ken and Ryu, but you know it's true
There's a huge amount of potential here, and the only reason it hasn't been unlocked yet is that we've been operating mostly within the FGC (a Capcom-born and based collection of events) rather than outside of it like Smash. But being a Chicago-based non-cartoon FG title is kind of cool and I think it's shown in the interest these games get in the Western world.
I didn't mean it like "why can't we have those guys" it's more like "why has UltraDavid made posts saying the NRS community is kind've sketchy". I met Chris G once at wnf and he seemed really cool with all the nrs guys and he's always been an MK player, so it's weird to me why he doesn't associate himself more often or hardly play the game etc.
Really wasn't, I was trying to emphasize that clearly the brand and community isn't going to shrivel up and die because of minor community nuisances if someone with so much jack is investing in two of our players. I don't think any forums for competitive fighters would excite anybody to do anything. You ever seen SRK? Ghost town. At least this one has a pulse.
He is not that humble he just wins so much that no one can contest the shit he talks
This man went "Red Fist Avatar"
I think all kinds of people play nrs games or try them casually especially some I've surprisingly met playing sfv with but nobody wants to walk into the big fart cloud that this community presents itself as from miles away. And that's where guys like Pryce want to see change in instead of people digging their heels in and saying "what about Capcom man ".
You know what I mean, like the spirit of tym itself or the twitter posts is the reflection of nrs online community. I hear it all the time "nrs players aren't that bad in person", nobody should have to say that our loud and it should be fixed. I think they looked past all the garbage we agree about is what I'm saying. It sounded like you tried to legitimize the community's " un- terribleness" by pointing at the Echofox sponsorship when I'm saying it's just a numbers game.
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Sure I complain sometimes, sometimes unbareable; I agree but I've done more for this community in tourney and outside tourney than most. Sure that doesn't excuse my mistakes and complaining but everyone can hold that