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Lokheit

Warrior
It makes sense that if it was a brutality requisite, they added some gameplay property, a lot of people already proposed for ice aura to improve more moves than the burst (maybe with cyber sub-zero drones improving his moves, they went with the same route with UB and his aura).
 

STK

Beso de Muerte + Fantasía Oscura
If the parry got better this could be the rushdown variation for SZ.
 

STK

Beso de Muerte + Fantasía Oscura
That's what I meant in the orginal post. Could it be that its for all ex moves while armored up and they only showcased slide on stream. Or is it strictly for slide.
They just showcased slide. They did it twice as a "oh what is this" teaser just like they did for Triborg Cyber SZ at ESL finals. Looks like SZ is getting undercover love for XL.
 

Lokheit

Warrior
That's what I meant in the orginal post. Could it be that its for all ex moves while armored up and they only showcased slide on stream. Or is it strictly for slide.
Last patch they put ice burst on him and aura made it deal more damage, maybe there are different buffs for each move. He could have gotten the damage over time freeze on his iceball like Cyber Sub.
 

Savage8-8

Apprentice
The fact that he is getting attention is exciting enough for me. That was pretty cool to show off unbreakable like that for a leatherface stream. Not many people play UB
 

Lokheit

Warrior
@16 Bit recently reassured us that they were very aware of the community thinking UB was bad and him being in that kast, I think was part of the reason of them sneaking the buffs to UB...

Now if Cryo could also get just a little bit of love it would be excellent news...
 

KingJerm731

Psn: kingjermx
@16 Bit recently reassured us that they were very aware of the community thinking UB was bad and him being in that kast, I think was part of the reason of them sneaking the buffs to UB...

Now if Cryo could also get just a little bit of love it would be excellent news...
I really don't think cryo needs much. He could get out of hand really quickly.
 

Lokheit

Warrior
I really don't think cryo needs much. He could get out of hand really quickly.
That's why I said just a litle bit of love, he is nowhere near UB in terms of suckiness but still needs something. He just needs a tool (like an improved air hammer or something) to be respected in the neutral to force decissions (given how his whole gameplay is based on punshing mistakes but has no way to force them).
 

Slymind

Warrior
It consumes the aura.

Perharps they are tweking Unbreakable to play around the aura, maybe other moves will be enhanced when your aura is active, but it will be consumed on use.
 

Goat-City

Banned
That's why I said just a litle bit of love, he is nowhere near UB in terms of suckiness but still needs something. He just needs a tool (like an improved air hammer or something) to be respected in the neutral to force decissions (given how his whole gameplay is based on punshing mistakes but has no way to force them).
If they at least give Cryo an ice knife projectile I'll be happy. That's not all he needs but I see that as a top priority, mainly because it would help to actually make him fun to play in my opinion.
 

Colest

Mid-Tier 'Mancer Main
It's a neat concept but if it comes with the damage penalty that freezing comes with then it won't solve his issues. Who knows though, maybe I'll eat crow. The more important highlight from the stream is it looked like his parry recovery was quicker.
 

Lokheit

Warrior
If they at least give Cryo an ice knife projectile I'll be happy. That's not all he needs but I see that as a top priority, mainly because it would help to actually make him fun to play in my opinion.
Honestly I think throwing knifes solves nothing for subbie and I wouldn't like that direction too much (leave that for MK11 Frost). He's hard to zone out (slide goes under most Mid projectiles, EX Iceball eats projectiles) and doesn't care about ranged battles.

The only thing a knife throw would give Cryo is a Boneshapper-esque restand reset (Cold Blooded into projectile, like Boneshaper using the spinning scythe restand into beam) and I'm not sure they would give them +20 advantage so you can 50/50 with B2.
 

Goat-City

Banned
Honestly I think throwing knifes solves nothing for subbie and I wouldn't like that direction too much (leave that for MK11 Frost). He's hard to zone out (slide goes under most Mid projectiles, EX Iceball eats projectiles) and doesn't care about ranged battles.

The only thing a knife throw would give Cryo is a Boneshapper-esque restand reset (Cold Blooded into projectile, like Boneshaper using the spinning scythe restand into beam) and I'm not sure they would give them +20 advantage so you can 50/50 with B2.
Slide is for counter zoning, knives would be for zoning. It would give him a good way to build meter for his big damage, he could use the EX version for plus frames on block like Kano's EX knives, and he could use them to safely end block strings like Kitana does with 111 fan or d1 fan. Or like you said he could use it for a restand into a 50/50.
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
Slide is for counter zoning, knives would be for zoning. It would give him a good way to build meter for his big damage, he could use the EX version for plus frames on block like Kano's EX knives, and he could use them to safely end block strings like Kitana does with 111 fan or d1 fan. Or like you said he could use it for a restand into a 50/50.
He is not a zoner!!!!! Give up dude
 

Goat-City

Banned
He is not a zoner!!!!! Give up dude
Neither is Kung Lao, but guess what he has in all 3 variations. I've already countered this argument child. Kano is not a zoner in cutthroat or commando either, but guess what they have. One of Cryo's problems is meter building, which he can get with a projectile. It helps him control space better as well which will by default improve his whiff punishing ability.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Neither is Kung Lao, but guess what he has in all 3 variations. I've already countered this argument child. Kano is not a zoner in cutthroat or commando either, but guess what they have. One of Cryo's problems is meter building, which he can get with a projectile. It helps him control space better as well which will by default improve his whiff punishing ability.
Isn't that cancerous buff thread that was universally slammed enough for you? He is a punisher, so if you don't enjoy blocking mixups then don't play him. His problem is he gets Jack shit if the opponent doesn't make a mistake so he needs a way to force a mistake. @Lokheit knows more about this variation than either of us so let's leave it to him and other Cryo specialists.
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
Cryo just needs a ranged standing normal that's safe with a little pushback to complement d4 , cryo's biggest weakness is that he loses the neutral hard. If the made the last hit of his 111 string a standing normal it would be perfect , even if it doesn't link into anything combo wise. It would let him control the space in front of him forcing the opponent to do something risky to open him up , and that is where cryo shines- punishing and whiff punishing. Could anyone disagree with that being the best balanced buff that would actually help his game?
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
Lao uses plus specials to make pressure , and he builds meter twice as fast as sub. If cryo had Laos meter building and pressure he would be broken as fuck ,
 

Goat-City

Banned
Isn't that cancerous buff thread that was universally slammed enough for you? He is a punisher, so if you don't enjoy blocking mixups then don't play him. His problem is he gets Jack shit if the opponent doesn't make a mistake so he needs a way to force a mistake. @Lokheit knows more about this variation than either of us so let's leave it to him and other Cryo specialists.
Universally slammed by morons, none of which presented a single good argument for why I was wrong. The thread was fine, the replies were cancerous.
 
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