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Question - Summoner Is Quan Chi in reality a mid tier character?

Is Quan Chi in reality a mid tier character?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 25 8.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 260 86.7%
  • Not sure.

    Votes: 15 5.0%

  • Total voters
    300
Into trance, summon bat, then do tight timing of OH/Low bat and rotate the one that hits first five times. Not that slow motion timing, tight window timing. Block 5 times in a row.
Oh low? Thats the easiest one to block unless you're talking about the one where you njp or low bat oh.
 

RM Ree

Shiba Tamer
You are exaggerating by saying "once quan has you you're gone for good" thats really not always true , rarely did this happen in an actual match unless we are talking about ranked scrubs...
Technically you could say MK9 Cyrax having inescapable combos is an exaggeration. There's always breaker, right? But I get it, there is a chance to block.

It's just that when Quan leaves you with a 1 frame window to switch block from low to high, you will obey, y'know?
 
Technically you could say MK9 Cyrax having inescapable combos is an exaggeration. There's always breaker, right? But I get it, there is a chance to block.

It's just that when Quan leaves you with a 1 frame window to switch block from low to high, you will obey, y'know?
I get your point , but its still not hard to block , you never see this being using at high level play because its sort of gimmicky. Ive never managed to do this when ive versed actual good players because they usually always block it , instead i use it as a mixup.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Oh low? Thats the easiest one to block unless you're talking about the one where you njp or low bat oh.
Low Bat/OH dual hitting mixup after trance. You have to instantly block both hits. If you miss both the blocks you get looped. QC can do either the OH or the low bat as the 1st hit. With good execution there's like literally a 1frame window to block both. Not that loose timing where you can quickly block both, instant timing. No human being can block this consistently. This isn't like Doomsday Earthshake or Cassie's missile mix up which can be blocked with practice. This is a whole different level of madness.

I never thought anything of this until playing Coach Steve last night. It is insane when done tightly. If I'm wrong and this can be blocked "with practice", I want to see what I played against blocked 5 times in a row in a video, with the 50/50 being rotated each time. Because from what I'm looking at, you'd have to be a robot to even be capable of blocking it more than 1/10 times.
 
Low Bat/OH dual hitting mixup after trance. You have to instantly block both hits. If you miss both the blocks you get looped. QC can do either the OH or the low bat as the 1st hit. With good execution there's like literally a 1frame window to block both. Not that loose timing where you can quickly block both, instant timing. No human being can block this consistently. This isn't like Doomsday Earthshake or Cassie's missile mix up which can be blocked with practice. This is a whole different level of madness.

I never thought anything of this until playing Coach Steve last night. It is insane when done tightly. If I'm wrong and this can be blocked "with practice", I want to see what I played against blocked 5 times in a row in a video, with the 50/50 being rotated each time. Because from what I'm looking at, you'd have to be a robot to even be capable of blocking it more than 1/10 times.
Alright ill do it , but the b2 then low bat option is easy to block.
 
Cool sounds good. Tag me so I can see.
Smfh shujinkydink has already made a vid escaping all of this, quan has more holes in his game than you think. U can armor thru his first rune. njp vortex is the easiest to escape from, just run underneath it. His b2 is slow af u can see it coming. The low+overhead mixup is easily blocked if u tap down while blocking. If quan resets you with a standing 4 after a trance he has to run or take a step forward to open u up with a b324. He not as difficult to fight as bewer players make him seem. U just have to study and stop complaining
 
Looking at all of these salty comments i see most of u would rather complain than adapt, i can't wait until the casuals get off this game and only the pros stay around. Low level ass casual gamers are killing the community with their cry for nerfs on anything that isnt there character. I came from marvel we adapt cuz we dont have patch after patch. Step yall shit up and learn how to play the game.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
People saying "l2adapt" and "l2block" ought to piss off. When high level players are STILL getting hit by what we're "bitching" about, then it's apparently not that easy to deal with. Especially considering Quan has more than one mixup to his vortex once you're in it. -_-
 
People saying "l2adapt" and "l2block" ought to piss off. When high level players are STILL getting hit by what we're "bitching" about, then it's apparently not that easy to deal with. Especially considering Quan has more than one mixup to his vortex once you're in it. -_-
He has more than one mixup, but the only one that isnt seeable is his b324 at the right distance, njp vortex easily countered and his low/overhead dont even hit high level players. Its a little late in the game for that. The more u fight against quan the easier it gets. My clanmates have adapted well. And now he's not so "unbeatable." Befriend a quan player and learn something from ur matches simple as that
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Smfh shujinkydink has already made a vid escaping all of this, quan has more holes in his game than you think. U can armor thru his first rune. njp vortex is the easiest to escape from, just run underneath it. His b2 is slow af u can see it coming. The low+overhead mixup is easily blocked if u tap down while blocking. If quan resets you with a standing 4 after a trance he has to run or take a step forward to open u up with a b324. He not as difficult to fight as bewer players make him seem. U just have to study and stop complaining
Yes. I'm a new player who has never heard any of this before.
 
People saying "l2adapt" and "l2block" ought to piss off. When high level players are STILL getting hit by what we're "bitching" about, then it's apparently not that easy to deal with. Especially considering Quan has more than one mixup to his vortex once you're in it. -_-
"High level players getting hit by it" link me a video of multiple ones getting hit by it. ? Only one i know is pl and that was when it was new.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Hold on , do you mean doing the. Njp low bat ? Or the b2 overhead , i know about the low bat oh after trance , but the second one , do you mean the njp low bat or the b2 low bat?
Not NJP. I'm talking about how you can adjust the timing during opponents being tranced to make low bat and the OH hit almost simultaneously, and can also decide which one hits first within than 1-2frame window. You literally cannot see which will hit first so not only do you have to guess which way to block, you have 1-2frames at the most to block both. How can this realistically be blocked regularly in matches? I never thought there was any issue with this until last night. It made something like Cassie's missile mixups look like it was 200 frames in comparison.

When I play Coach Steve again in a few days, likely Sunday, I'll have someone record it then I'll post it to see if anyone can actually block it consistently. Unless we're missing something dramatic up here not sure how it can be blocked repeatedly.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
i can't wait until the casuals get off this game and only the pros stay around. Low level ass casual gamers are killing the community with their cry for nerfs on anything that isnt there character. Step yall shit up and learn how to play the game.
:u Sits on couch to play online and just joined Sunday.


Makes sense. :coffee:
 
Not NJP. I'm talking about how you can adjust the timing during opponents being tranced to make low bat and the OH hit almost simultaneously, and can also decide which one hits first within than 1-2frame window. You literally cannot see which will hit first so not only do you have to guess which way to block, you have 1-2frames at the most to block both. How can this realistically be blocked regularly in matches? I never thought there was any issue with this until last night. It made something like Cassie's missile mixups look like it was 200 frames in comparison.

When I play Coach Steve again in a few days, likely Sunday, I'll have someone record it then I'll post it to see if anyone can actually block it consistently. Unless we're missing something dramatic up here not sure how it can be blocked repeatedly.
You mean low bat and b2 and vice versa , low bat oh is slightly hard to block and its a 1 frame window , back 2 into low bat however is not , njp low bat is the hardest one to block even then i can still get it 5/5 , i dont know how to do what you exactly said esp since its training mode so i did them seprately and blocked them 5 times in a row ( low bat b2 and njp low bat) i will post that in a sec , i could use some of the footage ur talking bout whenever you can though.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
You mean low bat and b2 and vice versa , low bat oh is slightly hard to block and its a 1 frame window , back 2 into low bat however is not , njp low bat is the hardest one to block even then i can still get it 5/5 , i dont know how to do what you exactly said esp since its training mode so i did them seprately and blocked them 5 times in a row ( low bat b2 and njp low bat) i will post that in a sec , i could use some of the footage ur talking bout whenever you can though.
Well the thing is in an actual match you don't know what's coming, you can't guess on reaction, you have to guess and commit before you know what's coming and hope you were correct, and THEN block within a super tight window. I can block NJP into low bat with no problem (well not "no" problem but I can block it well enough). And I can block crossup into low bat sometimes. But this, this here, is dookie.

Yea if that's it I just wanna see it actually being done by a person. Then at least I can know I actually need to figure something out. If it's something else then I'll have to just show you.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
Its not unblockable at all lol its not what makes quan "op" nor that he can loop it , if people spent more than 10 mins in practice mode they will figure out its easy to block...
Show me a video where you block QC's OH/Bat double hit mixup with good execution 5 times in a row. Mix up the OH and the low each time with tight timing and block it 5 times straight. I want to see someone do it. Anyone.
The. Njp Low bat one or b2 low bat one ?
The one shown in TBs video obviously, since that's what I was referring to with the 1 frame links. Do it as he did it, with the mix-up as close to 1 frame as possible, if your execution is trash and you fuck up the AI recording, just redo the AI and get it close as possible, no cop-outs. Me and SaltShaker mention this because Dink did the exact opposite, and deliberately slowed it down and injected a bunch of gaps. Record it right and then block it even twice out of a 5 AI laps of it without hitting the reset button in training mode. Then try do it against a real opponent who will be adjusting the timing of the tiny link even unintentionally.

I think you need to take some of your own advice about spending more than 10 minutes in practice mode mate.
 
The one shown in TBs video obviously, since that's what I was referring to with the 1 frame links. Do it as he did it, with the mix-up as close to 1 frame as possible, if your execution is trash and you fuck up the AI recording, just redo the AI and get it close as possible, no cop-outs. Me and SaltShaker mention this because Dink did the exact opposite, and deliberately slowed it down and injected a bunch of gaps. Record it right and then block it even twice out of a 5 AI laps of it without hitting the reset button in training mode. Then try do it against a real opponent who will be adjusting the timing of the tiny link even unintentionally.

I think you need to take some of your own advice about spending more than 10 minutes in practice mode mate.
Who is tb?
 
Well the thing is in an actual match you don't know what's coming, you can't guess on reaction, you have to guess and commit before you know what's coming and hope you were correct, and THEN block within a super tight window. I can block NJP into low bat with no problem (well not "no" problem but I can block it well enough). And I can block crossup into low bat sometimes. But this, this here, is dookie.

Yea if that's it I just wanna see it actually being done by a person. Then at least I can know I actually need to figure something out. If it's something else then I'll have to just show you.
Yeah i agree on that you have to guess , but blocking it is not really the hard part its still annoying and you're bound to mess up sometimes but its not hard to block constently if you put time into learning it
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
The one shown in TBs video obviously, since that's what I was referring to with the 1 frame links. Do it as he did it, with the mix-up as close to 1 frame as possible, if your execution is trash and you fuck up the AI recording, just redo the AI and get it close as possible, no cop-outs. Me and SaltShaker mention this because Dink did the exact opposite, and deliberately slowed it down and injected a bunch of gaps. Record it right and then block it even twice out of a 5 AI laps of it without hitting the reset button in training mode. Then try do it against a real opponent who will be adjusting the timing of the tiny link even unintentionally.
Exactly what I'm talking about. The window to block both is so tight that I wonder if frame perfect execution hits if you're even ALLOWED to switch stances and block both. Sometimes it seemed as if I guessed right but wasn't capable to block the 2nd hit.

With great execution Coach Steve was hitting this 9/10 times and throwing off which starters to use and going double low even at times knowing I would try to block both. It was insane, like insanity levels. I think I blocked it once during our set and dudes there started celebrating Lmao! One time I needed one more small combo to win the match like maybe 20%, I had near full health, got hit once, was unable to block it multiple times while carried to the corner almost full screen, and then killed in the corner. I had to just burst out laughing lol.