Why is counterpicking looked down upon?

[Israel]

As much as I understand the competitive nature of it, that doesn't mean I have to like it when it happens. I don't. I'm not gonna give someone props for losing at first, but then beating me in a heavily favored MU.
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Well Said man, well said.
If i got counterpicked and lost... agreed, i dont have to like it, nor do i have to respect it. But the person who did counterpick and bodied me..Should not be upset because because of how i feel. Just role with what you do...we all understand the competive way. But if i player wants vent on it, they can.

Like you said, just get 'comfortable.' If you playing to win, you playing to win. You doing what you feel you have too as a competitor. We all understand it, but theres always going to be the other side to frown upon it. Its just how it is.

 

[XxDark_]

My Kobu is justa itching to shake your hand.

lol

 

[CL_ZBFD]

I play to have fun. I'd say 50% of the time that means winning, another 50% of the time that means just trying out stuff. Assuming that the other person has the same sense of "fairness" in a FG or is playing with the same mindset as you just seems terribly naive. I think the solution is that both players lay down the rules upfront (single char, single var, x char changes, etc.), that way no egos get hurt in the process. I just find that getting salty with the other person is the lamest thing to do. As has been said before, either learn the MU, learn a new variation or learn a new char. Otherwise just keep the salt to yourself, it just makes you look like a sore loser.

Regardless, there will always be people that get salty when they lose, no matter who you kicked their ass with. My three amigos are Kenshi, Shinnok and Takeda. I find it funny most times they tend to get more salty when I shut them down with Kenshi than when I just follow the BS Shinnok script and pound them. To each their own.

That being said I'm just a scrub so wtf do I know.

 

[RemainSolid]

Counterpicking can be seen as a cowards way out if say you play someone who is using a mid-tier character like Scorpion or Mileena and they constantly beat you, then they decide to run to someone like Jacqui, Erron Black, Shinnok, Kitana, Tanaya, Quan Chi or Kung Lao out of frustration. I use 6-7 characters interchangeably because of fun reasons. My characters are Scorpion, Mileena, Jason, Predator, Sub-Zero, Reptile. When I'm about to play someone and they wait for me to pick at the character select screen, that usually tells me they are counterpicking scrubs. The moment I hide my cursor and they choose either Erron Black, Jacqui, Kung Lao or Kitana I instantly know they are going to play a projectile-spamming defensive game. I usually give them two matches to prove themselves of not being cheap before I decline and look for a more confident and worthy player who is not so fragile ego-wise over losing a match online looking to always have a 7-3 matchup.

Damn, I might as well let you pick my characters for me and tell me what I can't do when I play them too. Also, there's no being legit when there are no rules. Lol

 

[Samsara]

I'm approaching this from a bit of a different angle. I remember watching the earliest of the Kombat Kasts and marketing material and heard on more than on occasion that the variation system would more or less eliminate the counter picking mentality of fighting games. They stressed this quite a bit, saying that it would add variety and overall improve game balance. No character would be a hard counter to another because each character was essentially three.

I think the merits of the variation system fall considerably below this ideal.

As it stands now, several months into the games life, it has become clear that the counter picking mentality still persists, despite the aims the designers/developers had before launch. Counter picking is a legitimate strategy and should be exploited by anyone who has the matchup knowledge. If there's something you can do to gain leverage over your opponent than have at it. Furthermore, some characters don't even rely on matchup knowledge, pick Kung Lao and you're guaranteed a favorable matchup every time.

 

[CL_ZBFD]

Damn, I might as well let you pick my characters for me and tell me what I can't do when I play them too. Also, there's no being legit when there are no rules. Lol

This.. so real.. perhaps sore losers should pick up badminton.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Damn, I might as well let you pick my characters for me and tell me what I can't do when I play them too. Also, there's no being legit when there are no rules. Lol

That always confused me, like there is some invisible rule book according to the scrubs on how to play fighting games with very specific rules and characters your are not allowed to use, I say fuck that rule book I my only limits are the ones the game gives me not what some online scrub tells me

 

[Eldriken]

That always confused me, like there is some invisible rule book according to the scrubs on how to play fighting games with very specific rules and characters your are not allowed to use, I say fuck that rule book I my only limits are the ones the game gives me not what some online scrub tells me

Yeah, the invisible rule book is this: their opinion versus yours and theirs is the only one that matters.

 

[AZTEC-GOD]

....because you should be able to beat EVERYONE on the roster & have the skills and knowledge to do so with your character. I'm a huge character loyalist and I'll be with Kotal Kahn for as long as he is in the Mortal Kombat universe. It's funny when people lose to me and they go and "counter pick," ha the funny part is I still beat their asses. I don't care who anyone picks, I always have confidence in my combatant.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Counterpick is awesome, if you are able to play multiple characters at high level what is stopping you? Besides some MUs are just ugly to stick to its guns.

Beating a counterpicker is even more awesome, just shows your opponent you have a lot of mastery with your character.


I have a friend who plays tekken, and hates character specialists, so he dominates multiple characters so he can counter pick when he feels like it, his goal is to beat me with everyone in the cast, my goal is to beat everyone in the cast he picks with Jin. LOL

 

[TamedLizard]

what some online scrub tells me

Lol, if for any ungodly reason this became law then Reptile is cheap because you can't see him, Tanya is just a win farming tool, and Venomous is just flat out OP because there's no possible way any normal person could hold block long enough for the spray to finish.

Oh, and Erron Black is braindead.

 

[M.D.]

I'm going to counterpick GM subzero every single time, even in training mode.

 

[Arkane Slim]

I personally don't like counterpicking because I want to see people work through bad matchups. I was expecting to see a form of variation only counterpicking but not this grand scale of character top tier counter picking. But I couldn't get mad at somebody counterpicking, because that's how most people win these majors and get the prize money. I feel good when I see A Foxy Grampa and Wound Cowboy win tournaments because of them sticking with their mains. But hey, if this game were balanced better there would be no counterpicking.

 

[GreatKungLao]

I feel good when I see A Foxy Grampa and Wound Cowboy win tournaments because of them sticking with their mains.

Well, it must be really hard to play without counterpicking if your main is a top tier ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[KHTC Rated]

....because you should be able to beat EVERYONE on the roster & have the skills and knowledge to do so with your character. I'm a huge character loyalist and I'll be with Kotal Kahn for as long as he is in the Mortal Kombat universe. It's funny when people lose to me and they go and "counter pick," ha the funny part is I still beat their asses. I don't care who anyone picks, I always have confidence in my combatant.

That feel when you mop a GM Sub with BG Kotal...

 

[DubiousShenron]

shows no discernible skill, adaption or respect for the game

 

[AZTEC-GOD]

That feel when you mop a GM Sub with BG Kotal...

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.... BUT here are my responses to both possibilities.

1. With sarcasm
- trust me, I've done it

2. Without sarcasm
- I know right? It does feel amazing

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

shows no discernible skill, adaption or respect for the game

In your eyes, why should anyone play by your rules or play how you want them to play? We aren't here just to earn your respect. And counter picking isn't even being disrespectful to the game, it is just a strategy, that is all.

 

[juicepouch]

I find that generally people who despise counterpickers are people who play polarizing characters. If your character doesn't get countered to hell you probably don't are as much, but if there are hard counters to your main you can get pretty salty

 

[NY-Shadow]

Counterpicking is only a problem, if you the player makes it a problem.

And the defensive responses begin lol.

yea ok....this only tells me that you make excuses for your loses. and you probably do nothing but bitch about the game.

And the defensive responses begin lol.

This is such a scrubby post lol I'm sorry but that's really bad

And the defensive responses from tier whores have begun. lol

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

And the defensive responses begin lol.

I never got this argument, this is a debate where there is defense everywhere, you know what you did? You defending being against counter picking, this just seems like you are completely out of ideas as to how to defend your ideology, which to be honest is most likely the case

 

[NY-Shadow]

I play to have fun. I'd say 50% of the time that means winning, another 50% of the time that means just trying out stuff. Assuming that the other person has the same sense of "fairness" in a FG or is playing with the same mindset as you just seems terribly naive. I think the solution is that both players lay down the rules upfront (single char, single var, x char changes, etc.), that way no egos get hurt in the process. I just find that getting salty with the other person is the lamest thing to do. As has been said before, either learn the MU, learn a new variation or learn a new char. Otherwise just keep the salt to yourself, it just makes you look like a sore loser.

Regardless, there will always be people that get salty when they lose, no matter who you kicked their ass with. My three amigos are Kenshi, Shinnok and Takeda. I find it funny most times they tend to get more salty when I shut them down with Kenshi than when I just follow the BS Shinnok script and pound them. To each their own.

That being said I'm just a scrub so wtf do I know.

not much obviously.

 

[TackyHaddock]

Counterpick is awesome, if you are able to play multiple characters at high level what is stopping you? Besides some MUs are just ugly to stick to its guns.

Beating a counterpicker is even more awesome, just shows your opponent you have a lot of mastery with your character.


I have a friend who plays tekken, and hates character specialists, so he dominates multiple characters so he can counter pick when he feels like it, his goal is to beat me with everyone in the cast, my goal is to beat everyone in the cast he picks with Jin. LOL

exactly. I have absolutely no problem with either counterpickers or character loyalists. To each his fuckin own

 

[NY-Shadow]

I never got this argument, this is a debate where there is defense everywhere, you know what you did? You defending being against counter picking, this just seems like you are completely out of ideas as to how to defend your ideology, which to be honest is most likely the case

Reversal defense exposed. Try again. lol

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Counter picks happen. I dislike it PERSONALLY, because, depending on the MU, a lot of counterpick MUs just aren't fun to play. Hugo vs Gouken for example. Even if I grind through and win, its just not FUN to play. Purposefully counterpicking in a non-competitve environment is kinda stupid. If who you happen to be playing is a bad MU for me, no biggy,but if you see who I'm playing, then flat counter me, in normal sets (nothing on the line but the W or the L) it , to me , is just cheap.

Now, for competitive play, or tourney play.or a MM or whatever, then *shrug* win. I have zero complaints.

As a fan I dislike.some counter pick MUs because they aren't fun to watch, but I'm not against the idea of it certainly.