That's just endorsing poor design choices though, by your own admission.
So this is what it must feel like to be a Quan main browsing these threads. Me likey.
the difference is you can beat Kabal with skills
Well I don't know but I beat him online before and I started using Lao after Scorpion got nerfed and I think I mopped his Tanya around 2 or 3 weeks after that so it's not like we weren't on even grounds.
I also work 40 hours a week. And also am a single father of a 5 year old. So we're on even playing fields here. You're saying that quan takes no skill to learn. So by your theory you should be able to at least go even with me. If you're that confident you can beat me then let's dance little man. How's this Friday work? Say 11pm EST?I honestly think I can beat you Quan too if my Tempest Lao combos were on point right now but I work 40 hours a week and I haven't been playing much, mostly watching YOMI and other players streams on twitch, however I'm 100% confident I'm a better than you.
I'll keep your challenge in mind but as of now I just kinda curious to know how does challenging someone using the character he is clearly stating is broken proving a point somehow?
It's not optimal, but don't forget it's happened in the past where we found a stupid character after the patches were done, and were stuck to deal with him.
It's not actually. No OP character has losing MUs. @THTB is saying if a character can be counter picked there's no reason to be complaining. The top tier sometimes need to be counter picked. I realize people are spoiled by how balanced the game is but back in the day people just accepted our characters had weaknesses so we had a secondary to stay competitive. For the record quan does have bad MUs is kobu Jutsu Tanya, imposter Shinnok, wrestler Jax as well as w few others I'm currently exploring, so just pick one of those to give you a better chance.
Kabal was easily number one. Might have had maybe one or two non-advantage matchups, but you had to push hard to show that, and even then, they likely were just even at best.
To all of the naysayers and online warriors that claim we're simply upset that your opinions are different, we're upset that you don't have THIS attitude.
How the shit does takes no skills to use means he's easy to beat, I guess Bone Shaper is easy to beat that's why pro players agreed he was the best character in the game. Kappa
Yes, I agree kabal takes skills to use but even more skills to defeat a good Kabal
So you gon be a chikn then brah?
See this is where I think many people are delusional. IMO the community places way too high a premium on armor moves as a means of defense, when there are sooo many other ways to defend then good armor, namely just pure FG fundamentals. For example, the reason why Quan's zoning is so good is not its ability to keep an opponent full screen, but rather its ability to force an opponent to commit to an action in order to get in. Quan has the perfect kit to punish a bad jump or run attempt, which is all he needs to start the blender. Thats just one example of defense outside of armor, there are many many more. Sure armor is a great, easy way to GTFO, but now with the 6f d1, he can halt all pressure with just an ounce of patience and GTFO through many different means. I believe that the reason people think he is a glass cannon is because no one who currently plays Quan in the tournament scene has the defensive fundamentals to make up for this "flaw" in his game. I really don't see it as a flaw, more so as a tool that he lacks, if you can understand that distinction.
Because armor IS a big defensive option. It's probably the most important. Like I said, this game is filled with scenarios where you CANNOT poke through even with a 6 frame normal, and due to the existence of staggers and the oddities with blocking, armor becomes a much more reliable defensive option than a poke. And it gets even worse in the corner, where he loses backdashing. The blocking and being patient argument is cool until you realize this game's offense still has an abundance of really quick high/low mixups, and chip pressure is still super viable, in tandem with the aforementioned stuff.
On the bright side at least he is freaking awesome and hype to watch. The best kind of top tier.
But how is armor reliable? "Reliable" is a super subjective word in a read based game. I'd say the only thing "reliable" would be an armored move that is completely safe or at advantage, something very few cast members have. Most armor in the game is unsafe, and when it is, using it is the exact same win or lose read that you make with Quan's d1. People bait armor for a full punish, so its not like it gets you out for free. Once Quan gets in a d1, which again shouldn't be very hard unless the opponent has loads of meter and advantage specials to use it on, Quan must make a decision on what to do next, just as the opponent does. Quan could just block, punishing any armor. Quan could d1 again, stuffing any non armored move in the game. Quan could grab, Quan could initiate a string, etc. etc. my point is, you are no longer on defense and your opponent must commit to something, exactly where Quan likes to be. It will take conditioning for the Quan player to truly start offense after a successful d1, but it can and will be done by the better Quans.
When I say reliable, I mean that the option gets you out of situations better when it lands. Of course most armored moves are unsafe. The fact is, though, they're generally going to be a better option for dealing with your opponents attempts to attack you because they are going to be applicable in more scenarios than a poke could ever be simply because they ignore frame traps for the most part, if not altogether. Hence, more reliable.
whats so good about reptile now? is it in his deceptive? what can it do?
MRW you compared a 16 frame armored launcher to a move that has 38 frames of startup, is death on block and whiff, and the armor wears off before it's even activeQuan didn't need a 6 frames,
nor an OH safe launcher 50/50 into vortex as if he wasn't able to mix shit up before. Quan Chi takes the least skills to use out of all other characters. I'm an average joe and I can get as good as any other Quan I've seen playing out there if I wanted to. He has the best 50/50 and one of the best zoning plus on block you can convert from with the bat.
Their excuse for Quan being bad is not having good armor but think about it, there're other characters armors that can be stuffed with any 2 hitters Mileena being one of them. They don't have Quan Chi tools yet their armor still just as bad and unsafe and anyways with all of the options most characters have to break armors after a knockdown I'd say delayed wake up is the way to go in most scenario.
They also complained about not having a way out block infinites well those shouldn't be in the game in the first place
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