Question - Summoner It is time for some real Quan talk

[GAV]

Saying he is harder to block than Quan is crazy talk.

His main thing is he gets great corner carry and insane corner damage. He does have way better defense then Quan but his offense is nowhere near Quan's level, at least IMO.

I think hes proably top 5 now but I still see Quan as a better character. Then again you probably play against Tyrant so I'll defer to your judgement lol.

Tyrant's matches are so hype. His matches against Chef that I've seen were all effing epic.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Invisible 50/50's.

why does being invisible matter though if you can't react to em anyways? Alsoi need to play some reptiles now


also, how is tanya possibly the best in the game, can't you just poke out of almost all her pressure now? o-0

 

[Zoidberg747]

also, how is tanya possibly the best in the game, can't you just poke out of almost all her pressure now? o-0

No.

 

[Invincible Salads]

No.

explain.

 

[Zoidberg747]

explain.

If you do everything right you can only be beat by armor and maybe backdashes. Only thing I can think of that can be poked out of is the first rekka used as a frametrap but even then the blockstun is super deceiving and most of the people I play cant poke out of it consistently. Plus if you try to poke out she can just EX rekka to blow you up. Poking has never been a good option against her pressure.

 

[Invincible Salads]

If you do everything right you can only be beat by armor and maybe backdashes. Only thing I can think of that can be poked out of is the first rekka used as a frametrap but even then the blockstun is super deceiving and most of the people I play cant poke out of it consistently. Plus if you try to poke out she can just EX rekka to blow you up. Poking has never been a good option against her pressure.

so the fact that she's negative on telecancel pressure doesnt play a factor in this then?

 

[Zoidberg747]

so the fact that she's negative on telecancel pressure doesnt play a factor in this then?

No because the only tele cancel pressure that can even get poked out of is b1 2+4. The rest are just not as plus and dont guarantee anything after it.

 

[Invincible Salads]

No because the only tele cancel pressure that can even get poked out of is b1 2+4. The rest are just not as plus and dont guarantee anything after it.

so she IS still plus on certain cancels then?

 

[Zoidberg747]

so she IS still plus on certain cancels then?

Neutral or +1 on most, her most plus one now is both hits of f2 tele cancel which is +3.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Neutral or +1 on most, her most plus one now is both hits of f2 tele cancel which is +3.

ah ok, maybe i will give her another go if her pressure isnt quite as negative as i thought.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Saying he is harder to block than Quan is crazy talk.

No way, not crazy talk at all. Especially if it's Wrestler. He has overheads, lows, tick throws, plus frames, and staggers in tons of different placed throughout his strings. Quan is always going to be a 50/50 (albeit a strong one) at a time where you know that it's coming.



I conveniently made a flowchart yesterday of all of his mixup options off of a blocked 6 frame standing 1:

And that's just one of his many strings that has options like this.

His mixup game after he's plus on block is nuts too, especially considering he has safe hitconfirmable overhead and low launchers, plus one of if not the best command grab in the game that can be tick thrown from a bunch of his strings.


He also does like 45% meterless in the corner and the same midscreen for a bar.


Also he has the best armor options in the game. Safe High Armor / Overhead Launcher (for 35%!!!) / 19% Command Grab so he can practically mix you up on HIS wakeup, etc. So even if you manage to catch him in a - situation, he's got the upper hand.





Also this isn't just from losing to Tyrant, I also play a lot of Jax (Wrestler mostly) and he honestly might be my best character right now, just because he's strong, not because I've practiced him more than others. I was at casuals tonight and Jax is the only character in my roster that I can go even or better vs our best Shinnok with.