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THE GREAT DEBATE! MARVEL VS DC! WHO WILL WIN?!?!

Who Will Win?


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Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Dude, wtf? Reality warping means the laws of reality get twisted. So every rule by which you would judge a match up can be changed. It can be made so that one of them is just erased from reality forever. If they both can do that no other skill will matter. It's like we point a gun at each other's heads at point blank who will win if at 1- 2-3-go we both pool the triggers. I understand that Wanda was very unstable. But let's take Molecule Man and Sentry. Sentry is unstable and schizophrenic himself. In Dark Avengers storyline Sentry only discovered that he could control matter the way Molecule Man could(who is by the way a reality warper too). But the second he found that out he owned Molecule Man who was far more experienced with that power. Bad writing of course, plot devices - maybe. But in comics if a being has a potential to be a reality warper he has a potential to be written as an omnipotent being, who owns everyone, and only the writer decides who beats who. Arguing about such stuff is pointless!
That is plot. However, as it stands, thats how you're supposed to debate between two reality warpers. You figure which can change more the fastest, and thats the one who wins because the other's powers become overwritten. Like if I can control fire, and you can control fire better, then no matter how good my control of the fire is, you can manipulate it beyond my present control. Thats not to say I can't still warp fire, but at the end of it I can only do as much as you allow me to.
 

Yoaks

A spaceman
Yea it is. I'm still enjoying some of the Forever Evil books. But The New 52 in general is failing hard. I still need to pick up Animal-Man, WoWo, Swamp-Thing and a few others that I heard are really good. I also find it lame that they called him Mazahs. @kivatt
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Superman Prime Vs WW Hulk
Bane Vs Juggernaut
Lobo Vs Ghost Rider
Superman Prime is a near omnipotent because "Superman Prime" is "Superman DC 1 million". As I've said before, factory settings on the omniverse to erase the hulk.

Superboy Prime vs Hulk would also be a slide because of the same measure.

Superman Pre-Crisis is a sweep because of a sneeze.

Superman Post-crisis would only have trouble if you include plot.


As far as the other two go, 616 Juggernaut survived as a flaming skeleton because he's amped up on god juice.

Lobo is every bit as strong as superman, unless you're counting demigod GR in which case Lobo gets rejected from the soul stream.
 

kivatt

Kono Dio Da
Yea it is. I'm still enjoying some of the Forever Evil books. But The New 52 in general is failing hard. I still need to pick up Animal-Man, WoWo, Swamp-Thing and a few others that I heard are really good. I also find it lame that they called him Mazahs. @kivatt
Actually a lot of them are good. And they have really good books that aren't being read are cancelled. Only the really bad books when it was first launched have been cancelled. The books out now are very good
 

TheBoyBlunder

They love my Grayson
Those people are not meta humans. He only beat David Cain, and cheated against Deathstroke. Lady shiva stomps batman, and sensei beat both him and ra's at the same time.

Batman can't beat any of them except David Cain and dead shot at pure hand to hand.
How do you cheat in a fight?

Batman has defeated DS once.

Lady Shiva is a beast.

Most people can't beat DS or Lady Shiva, DS almost took out the whole justice league. But that wasn't my point. My point was Batman fights with meta humans and high tier fighters all the time. Doombawkz thought Batman only fights 2 face and the penguin, which is far from true.

Batman is one of the best fighters in the DCU.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Yea, because Bruce Wayne never fought Deathstroke, Darkseid, Clayface, Killer Croc, Captain America, Guy Garner (GL), Nero (Yellow Lantern), Slade Wilson on venom, Starman, Atomic Skull, Wonder Woman, Supes, Supergirl, most of the Justice League, robot drones, demons, vampires....Batman only fights humans, right numbnuts? Batman has defeated Lady Shiva, Deathstroke, David Cain, Deadshot, Sensei...and many meta humans. Go read a book kid.
He did, but Deathstroke is a human in most editions, just an incredibly well-trained mercenary unless you count the backstory where he is a medical flop. He fought Darksied in JLA, don't get that confused with an actual comic. Clayface is a human at his core, and what he gains in strength he loses in speed so its not a hard fight. Killer Croc isn't that impressive either, and those last 2 are the few non-humans he doesn't fight. Him fighting Cap was a cross-over and he is a human too. Those next 6 are heavily plot induced, unless you're trying to say a human who has been shot can beat out superman who can clock a few thousand over the lightspeed, in which case I have to assume you've never actually done any form of math of physics. Robot drones are disposable, demons he usually had the help of someone (sometimes a demon of his own), and vampires he got bodied by except for a last second plot window he happened to jump through.

Batman "mostly" fights humans, if you didn't see, and humans are the only ones he can beat without the author stepping in and saying "ok batman has shark repellant". You seem to confuse plot for the sake of relevance for actual feats.

Batman's reactions are less than a bullet, and plenty of villains have been stated by the author to have been able to kill Batman 50 times over if not for their own faults like Riddler's necessity for riddles, two-faces desire for chance, and so on.
 

Yoaks

A spaceman
Actually a lot of them are good. And they have really good books that aren't being read are cancelled. Only the really bad books when it was first launched have been cancelled. The books out now are very good
Any suggestions?
 

kivatt

Kono Dio Da
How do you cheat in a fight?

Batman has defeated DS once.

Lady Shiva is a beast.

Most people can't beat DS or Lady Shiva, DS almost took out the whole justice league. But that wasn't my point. My point was Batman fights with meta humans and high tier fighters all the time. Doombawkz thought Batman only fights 2 face and the penguin, which is far from true.

Batman is one of the best fighters in the DCU.
But he's not the best and gets shitted on by a lot. He's barely top 10
 

OG Mannimal

OG "OG Mannimal" Mannimal
So many characters are overlooked by you guys. For example, Trigon would body everyone, and characters like The Spectre wouldn't even be touched. Don't just look at the well-known heroes to decide who wins. And again, Amazo from DC would destroy both DC and Marvel at once if he wanted to, the only characters who could theoretically take him down are Batman and Deathstroke.
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
There are characters in DC that are world universe ending... Marvel truly stands no chance to DC.
 

lm Tweakk

#BuffAntiAirs
So it doesn't matter when my information is coming from the comics. And the actual fears Wally has done. Unlike you going off of someone's opinion. When Wally has done more and has shown to be superior. When has Barry ever been able to steal speed? Because Wally can. When has Barry been shown being able to tap into the speed force at will like Wally? Or save people from a nuclear explosion the moment it went off like Wally?
Barry ran fast enough to turn back time after having his leg impaled , and are you sereous ? Wally can't control the speed force FOR SHIT. Barry controls the speed force completely , the speed force is his bitch essentially
 
That is plot. However, as it stands, thats how you're supposed to debate between two reality warpers. You figure which can change more the fastest, and thats the one who wins because the other's powers become overwritten. Like if I can control fire, and you can control fire better, then no matter how good my control of the fire is, you can manipulate it beyond my present control. Thats not to say I can't still warp fire, but at the end of it I can only do as much as you allow me to.
By the way Strange isn't originally a reality warper. He is a sorcerer. But he can acquire such power, like many others:)Magic and reality warping are different. You see if one character beat the other in the comic book it is considered canon, if there was no interference or outside energy sources. That is like the most certain thing in comic book characters power levels - CANON! But if we take you criteria as the right one ( which is very logical) then in my example with Sentry and Molecule Man it gets overwritten by CANON. You couldn't say for sure who would beat who before MM faced Sentry in a comic book. Most people would have predicted MM to be faster and more powerful than Sentry. But he is not.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
By the way Strange isn't originally a reality warper. He is a sorcerer. But he can acquire such power, like many others:)Magic and reality warping are different. You see if one character beat the other in the comic book it is considered canon, if there was no interference or outside energy sources. That is like the most certain thing in comic book characters power levels - CANON! But if we take you criteria as the right one ( which is very logical) then in my example with Sentry and Molecule Man it gets overwritten by CANON. You couldn't say for sure who would beat who before MM faced Sentry in a comic book. Most people would have predicted MM to be faster and more powerful than Sentry. But he is not.
Canon takes a backseat to factual vs plot. Batman contends with people he shouldn't simply because plot allows him to. By canon he hangs with people clocking lightspeed +, but in reality he can't do so in a real fight despite it being Canon.
 

kivatt

Kono Dio Da
Barry ran fast enough to turn back time after having his leg impaled , and are you sereous ? Wally can't control the speed force FOR SHIT. Barry controls the speed force completely , the speed force is his bitch essentially
Wally can't control the speed force, but he was able to make speed force constructs. And bring his family back into the past. And run until the end of time, as well as being able to keep up with Zoom. Do you know how stupid you sound?

And Reverse Flash did not stab Barry in the comics. So c'mon son.
 

lm Tweakk

#BuffAntiAirs
Wally can't control the speed force, but he was able to make speed force constructs. And bring his family back into the past. And run until the end of time, as well as being able to keep up with Zoom. Do you know how stupid you sound?

And Reverse Flash did not stab Barry in the comics. So c'mon son.
Once again , ignoring the fact that everything is written by DC , even the Flashpoint Paradox movie , which he did just that , ran back in time with an impaled leg , but I guess if it didn't happen In comics it didn't happen at all , your opinion is on complete bias.
 

kivatt

Kono Dio Da
Once again , ignoring the fact that everything is written by DC , even the Flashpoint Paradox movie , which he did just that , ran back in time with an impaled leg , but I guess if it didn't happen In comics it didn't happen at all , your opinion is on complete bias.
No. The comic and the movie were completely different. Please read one before you start talking. Because the comics is actually the canon story. It's not a bias. It's a fact. Please stop talking out if your ass.
 

lm Tweakk

#BuffAntiAirs
No. The comic and the movie were completely different. Please read one before you start talking. Because the comics is actually the canon story. It's not a bias. It's a fact. Please stop talking out if your ass.
Re-imaginings of the same story , and guess what , they both leave the same results. At the end of the day Barry did run faster than time with a wounded leg , doesn't matter where it happened , the fact is that it happened. Also , considering the movie got more funding BY FAR than the comic , I would assume that THAT'S the way they wanted it to play out , also since it came second , they were just fixing there mistakes.