Match-up Discussion Ducky's Raven MU Chart

[Blind_Ducky]

@Blind_Man

How do you feel about the Batgirl MU. It seems like its hard to teleport against Raven unless on a read, and I can't throw bolas out willy nilly. How much start up do pillars have in Demon Stance? Not sure if I can teleport inbetween.

I think it's 5-5. Pillars are 23 frames so you can teleport on read between them but that's the mix up basically. I try to bait you to teleport and punish you. Or you read pillar and I get fucked lol

 

[OG Mannimal]

Raven has 50/50s on catwoman as well if the appropriate set up is used, it can also be looped.

What is the 50/50 that you're ttalking about? I know that its something off of mb pull but I haven't been able to figure out what it is.

 

[RM Truth]

What is the 50/50 that you're ttalking about? I know that its something off of mb pull but I haven't been able to figure out what it is.

Maybe ambiguous crossup/fake crossup j2?

 

[Blind_Ducky]

What is the 50/50 that you're ttalking about? I know that its something off of mb pull but I haven't been able to figure out what it is.

It's off of lift. You space it correctly with d1 or 2 depending on the combo and it's either non cross up j3, cross up j3 or cross up j2.

 

[Ra Helios]

Yes, you'll guess right on every 50/50. Raven has 50/50s on catwoman as well if the appropriate set up is used, it can also be looped. Catwoman's j2 is annoying, only real answer is to hold back. What do you do when Raven puts you in a 50/50? According to your logic it's game over. She does 40%+ mid screen into a 50/50. According to you once catwoman gets a knockdown it's game over. So by your logic, whichever character gets a knockdown loses. That sounds pretty even to me.

She doesn't have a 50/50 mix up

 

[OG Mannimal]

She doesn't have a 50/50 mix up

It's not a traditional 50/50, but you have to guess between another pillar/fireball or soul crush.

 

[Ra Helios]

I think it's 5-5. Pillars are 23 frames so you can teleport on read between them but that's the mix up basically. I try to bait you to teleport and punish you. Or you read pillar and I get fucked lol

Blind man I have to play u. In order to see I play glass swords and I see it as a 6-4. I guess when I do a mtch up I will put 6-4 in my opinion and 5-5 GGa 16 bit

 

[Blind_Ducky]

She doesn't have a 50/50 mix up

Do you play Raven?

 

[RM Truth]

It's off of lift. You space it correctly with d1 or 2 depending on the combo and it's either non cross up j3, cross up j3 or cross up j2.

Can you do the same thing with pull in Demon Stance?

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Can you do the same thing with pull in Demon Stance?

Yes but it's not as good.

 

[Ra Helios]

Do you play Raven?

Yes. She has a low low stuff. And she also has a mid mid overhead which is useless. Plus she has a hkd. Her 50/50 mix up isn't that good compare to catwoman.

 

[Ra Helios]

Do you play Raven?

Also if you check your inbox I message you on how to use her but I guess you are to Hollywood to reply back that is why sometimes I dont respect tournament players.

 

[cR_whiteboi]

God almighty.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

God almighty.

The amount if stupid in the last couple of pages is astonishing.

 

[cR_whiteboi]

The amount if stupid in the last couple of pages is astonishing.

It's terrifying. I need a drink.

 

[NoobHunter420]

The scary thing is that the CW forum has to deal with him in a regular basis l0l

 

[Hades]

Holy shit i can hardly even read what ra helios is saying. Where are you from dude because that is some broken english right there. I dont see how he doesnt understand what your trying to say ducky, he says he plays raven but clearly he hasnt put time and effort into her set ups... Anyway i was just wondering what height soul crush hits and if green lantern can either air rocket or air turbine her. I know the turbine is risky but im just wondering if thats a viable option at all or does gl basically just have to walk in?

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Holy shit i can hardly even read what ra helios is saying. Where are you from dude because that is some broken english right there. I dont see how he doesnt understand what your trying to say ducky, he says he plays raven but clearly he hasnt put time and effort into her set ups... Anyway i was just wondering what height soul crush hits and if green lantern can either air rocket or air turbine her. I know the turbine is risky but im just wondering if thats a viable option at all or does gl basically just have to walk in?

Max height air turbine and air rocket might make it whiff but it's not a viable way to get in. Air turbine = lift punish for Raven.

 

[The Great One]

Ok so adding on to what Hades said. How do GL, Batman, Doomsday fare in the Raven matchup? I lost to one recently and was wondering how to take her down. (I think gl's a badmatchup... 6-4? Maybe even...7- nahhhh. 6-4)

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Ok so adding on to what Hades said. How do GL, Batman, Doomsday fare in the Raven matchup? I lost to one recently and was wondering how to take her down. (I think gl's a badmatchup... 6-4? Maybe even...7- nahhhh. 6-4)

You think GL,s a bad mu for her or she's a bad mu for him?
GL loses 6-4, Doomsday wins 6-4, Batman is 5-5.

 

[The Great One]

You think GL,s a bad mu for her or she's a bad mu for him?
GL loses 6-4, Doomsday wins 6-4, Batman is 5-5.

Bad matchup for him. Oh god the fullscreen zoning. Any tips on exorsizing that demon spawn

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Bad matchup for him. Oh god the fullscreen zoning. Any tips on exorsizing that demon spawn

Be patient, occasionally fire rockets to try to keep her honest.

 

[Ra Helios]

Holy shit i can hardly even read what ra helios is saying. Where are you from dude because that is some broken english right there. I dont see how he doesnt understand what your trying to say ducky, he says he plays raven but clearly he hasnt put time and effort into her set ups... Anyway i was just wondering what height soul crush hits and if green lantern can either air rocket or air turbine her. I know the turbine is risky but im just wondering if thats a viable option at all or does gl basically just have to walk in?

Only a dumb ass will take spelling serious when people use other form of methods to type. Like a cell phone. You just wasted your time

 

[Laos_boy]

@Blind_Man I agree on CW 5-5.

There's a lot that CW can actually do to limit raven but the fact ravens shuts down CW footsies.

Catwoman can ignore ravens pillar frame traps with catstance and dash cancel. Catwoman gets a full punish. cW also does well against regular stance.

But since CW cant play a full screen which is most of the match due to Ravens walk speed. It makes it a 5-5.

 

[Ra Helios]

@Blind_Man I agree on CW 5-5.

There's a lot that CW can actually do to limit raven but the fact ravens shuts down CW footsies.

Catwoman can ignore ravens pillar frame traps with catstance and dash cancel. Catwoman gets a full punish. cW also does well against regular stance.

But since CW cant play a full screen which is most of the match due to Ravens walk speed. It makes it a 5-5.

Play glass swords. And tell me the score.