Match-up Discussion Ducky's Raven MU Chart

[Glass Sword]

I more or less expected it to be unstickied but it's not outdated. I update it all the time.

Regardless I feel that sticky threads should be for 2 things.
1. Active Discussion threads
2. Important Tech and guides - Which I am going to work on synthesizing into a large master sticky.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Regardless I feel that sticky threads should be for 2 things.
1. Active Discussion threads
2. Important Tech and guides - Which I am going to work on synthesizing into a large master sticky.

I'm not disagreeing with the sticky thing. Like I said I expected this to be unstickied, only reason I stickied it was because it was funny.

 

[NoobHunter420]

AK|Glass_Soul laying down the law.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Welp. I'm calling it now, Raven beats Batman.

 

[VGMtheVagabond]

Welp. I'm calling it now, Raven beats Batman.

I can understand why, but could you list the reasons?

 

[Blind_Ducky]

I can understand why, but could you list the reasons?

He gets zoned out. Bats are more or less whatever in the mu and he gets raped on knockdown. He has to work harder than she does.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Welp. I'm calling it now, Raven beats Batman.

told you

 

[Blind_Ducky]

told you

Congrats. You were right about one thing. Now will you go prove she's top 5? Oh wait you can't.

 

[Sami]

ooo new mod in town?

 

[SaltShaker]

Do people still think Raven/Aquaman is 5-5. Imo this is one of Aquaman's few losing MU's. Especially if you win the stage select. Obviously AM is great and you have to be careful of Trident Rush, but it feels a lot easier than almost every 5-5 commonly accepted.

 

[VGMtheVagabond]

Do people still think Raven/Aquaman is 5-5. Imo this is one of Aquaman's few losing MU's. Especially if you win the stage select. Obviously AM is great and you have to be careful of Trident Rush, but it feels a lot easier than almost every 5-5 commonly accepted.

I know he can keep her at bay with From the Deep and the range on his normals are good, which probably makes it still even.

 

[Rude]

Welp. I'm calling it now, Raven beats Batman.

Yep. I completely agree. All she has to do is walk back and he has to play her game and be ridiculously patient to close space. Even then, it's difficult to keep trait and get your game going.

How bad, would you say? 7-3?
6-4?

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Yep. I completely agree. All she has to do is walk back and he has to play her game and be ridiculously patient to close space. Even then, it's difficult to keep trait and get your game going.

How bad, would you say? 7-3?
6-4?

It's 6-4

 

[Blind_Ducky]

Do people still think Raven/Aquaman is 5-5. Imo this is one of Aquaman's few losing MU's. Especially if you win the stage select. Obviously AM is great and you have to be careful of Trident Rush, but it feels a lot easier than almost every 5-5 commonly accepted.

5-5 or 6-4 Aqua.

 

[Zoidberg747]

@Blind_Man can you explain the Shazam, Lobo, or WoWo number please. Been struggling against these lately.

 

[kabelfritz]

I know he can keep her at bay with From the Deep and the range on his normals are good, which probably makes it still even.

from the deep can be punished with soul crush, thats one of the reasons this is tough for aquaman.

 

[RelentlessOhio]

I've played Raven like twice, never would have thought it's 5-5 against MMH.

 

[VGMtheVagabond]

I've played Raven like twice, never would have thought it's 5-5 against MMH.

I would personally say 5.5-4.5, but that's mostly the small amount of experience talking.

 

[Blind_Ducky]

@Blind_Man can you explain the Shazam, Lobo, or WoWo number please. Been struggling against these lately.

Sorry, stupid tag thing didn't alert me. Shazam gets raped by ravens zoning. He doesn't have anything to interrupt it so he just has to deal with it by dashing in. If you knock him down and he does a wake up teleport you can time a soul crush or pull to punish it on recovery. On knockdown he pretty much rapes Raven but that's hard for him to get in.

Wonder Woman is basically the same thing, except ia torpedo gets her in after a blocked crush. Until she blocks it, she has to deal with ravens zoning. On knockdown she gets killed, Wonder Woman also can outfootsie Raven. I just zone her and stuff. Also knockdown shenanigans like the cross up/non cross up work on her. It'll beat out her wake ups. Also Forward dash nj is good too.

Lobo is the only character who can dash through pillar to crush and block it, sooooo trait is kind of useless. Lobo outfootsies Raven and kills her on knockdown because he's got 40 different things to guess between. He also can get screwe by ravens knockdown stuff but high shot kind of messes it up. It's weird. I can tell you more about it later today once I can get on injustice.

If there's anything specific about each match up that's bothering you that I didn't help with, let me know and I'll try to give you a solution.

Also I'm going to update my chart soon.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Sorry, stupid tag thing didn't alert me. Shazam gets raped by ravens zoning. He doesn't have anything to interrupt it so he just has to deal with it by dashing in. If you knock him down and he does a wake up teleport you can time a soul crush or pull to punish it on recovery. On knockdown he pretty much rapes Raven but that's hard for him to get in.

Wonder Woman is basically the same thing, except ia torpedo gets her in after a blocked crush. Until she blocks it, she has to deal with ravens zoning. On knockdown she gets killed, Wonder Woman also can outfootsie Raven. I just zone her and stuff. Also knockdown shenanigans like the cross up/non cross up work on her. It'll beat out her wake ups. Also Forward dash nj is good too.

Lobo is the only character who can dash through pillar to crush and block it, sooooo trait is kind of useless. Lobo outfootsies Raven and kills her on knockdown because he's got 40 different things to guess between. He also can get screwe by ravens knockdown stuff but high shot kind of messes it up. It's weird. I can tell you more about it later today once I can get on injustice.

If there's anything specific about each match up that's bothering you that I didn't help with, let me know and I'll try to give you a solution.

Also I'm going to update my chart soon.

Great info, thanks.

 

[OG Mannimal]

Raven-BG, 3-7? @Blind_Ducky

 

[Qwark28]

Raven-BG, 3-7? @Blind_Ducky

Just from a standpoint of someone who doesn't play either character I can tell you need to keep her out hella long when she gets 1 mixup that is worth in damage 30 seconds of your zoning without you having a comeback factor and extremely inferior corner game. Her mobility is also ridiculous.

 

[OG Mannimal]

Just from a standpoint of someone who doesn't play either character I can tell you need to keep her out hella long when she gets 1 mixup that is worth in damage 30 seconds of your zoning without you having a comeback factor and extremely inferior corner game. Her mobility is also ridiculous.

I'm not asking how to play the MU I'm asking how on earth he thinks it's 3-7 lol always felt even to me

 

[IMakeItL00kC00L]

@Blind_Ducky can you explain why the sin-raven mu is 6-4 sin plz

 

[SaltShaker]

After being directed to face a top Lobo on tym, I take back all my prior Raven/Lobo comments and agree with the 4-6 completely.

Controller throwing type of MU and definitely isn't a possible 5-5 like I argued in the past. The 4-6 sounds right. Tough one too.



EDIT: Yea that Batgirl number looks a little shaky lol.