General/Other - Smoke XL Robo Smoke Discussion Thread

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

There are characters with safe armor, plus armor, invincible moves, and all kinds of shit. The point of the move is to avoid pressure and it costs meter. It should be a get out of jail free card with it not inflicting any damage. Instead of recovery it should be neutral after invincibility wears off because what Lao is doing is punishing a "Fully Invincible" move that is Smoke's only defensive option.

Or you could smoke away from Lao, without spending the meter and laugh at him while u get a free b21 whiff punish
You're looking too far into the cons my good man.

 

[Shadow316]

If you use Evaporate (D,D,3) then use F2,1, interactable, Smoke will stay invisible instead of popping out of it like usual. He reappears after using a special or F2,1 again.

Is this known? Apologies if it is.

 

[Poser Paul]

There are characters with safe armor, plus armor, invincible moves, and all kinds of shit. The point of the move is to avoid pressure and it costs meter. It should be a get out of jail free card with it not inflicting any damage. Instead of recovery it should be neutral after invincibility wears off because what Lao is doing is punishing a "Fully Invincible" move that is Smoke's only defensive option.

But that's lao. Lao is the day one God

 

[Blade4693]

1 1 1 xx Smoke bomb/Spear is a good punisher since 1 is 8F I believe. It doesn't deal out the best damage but it's consistent. F4 3 xx Ex Teleport into a follow up deals out the best damage and F4 is 10F. And for the combos, it's different when going up against an opponent because you don't have tension of an actual match that you can replicate in training mode. I would just give it time so the muscle memory can sit in. When I first started playing Erron Black it took me at least a week or two to get his combos consistently against real players.

Oh I didn't even think of the f4 3 into ex tele! I have a pretty decent combo on lock out of that so that is perfect, lol thanks!

My big problem is the f4d21 string, getting that out against any opponent is hard for me but yeah ill just keep practicing it until its consistent and I should eventually get it.

 

[GrimJack]

F21 ex smoke fwd (holding block) with Lao set to reversal ex spin. Fully invincible huh? Try to block it.

The smartest thing I have ever heard in a lomg time. Do you know about something we call being unsafe

 

[Geoffmeister]

changed one of the combo's i saw earlier in the thread for greater set up potential

JIP-F43- EX DB4- S4- BF1- JIP - F13- DB1 - NJP - F21 (39%)


its also a standing reset aswell :]

f43 - EX TP - 4 - Tri - Jip - 4 - Smoke Bomb - 4 - TP (41%)

Also, has anyone got a combo that will allow him to go invisible mid combo?

You can go EX invis off Trident into 3 and it will combo

 

[BornThroughAshes]

Here is a 33% one bar punisher. The catch with this is that you sacrifice some damage or a vortex for a FULL corner carry to a hdk.

 

[BornThroughAshes]

f43 - EX TP - 4 - Tri - Jip - 4 - Smoke Bomb - 4 - TP (41%)

You can even do f43 - EX TP - 4 - Tri - Jip - 4 - Smoke Bomb - NJP- B12+4 for 42%

 

[JesterSMX]

The smartest thing I have ever heard in a lomg time. Do you know about something we call being unsafe

We huh? What's your resume? You were arguing the point that it was "FULLY INVINCIBLE" and I proved you wrong. So a fully invincible move got punished by a move set to reversal. Keep talking shit chump.

 

[GrimJack]

One of the only character I found with d3 shorter than d1

 

[GrimJack]

We huh? What's your resume? You were arguing the point that it was "FULLY INVINCIBLE" and I proved you wrong. So a fully invincible move got punished by a move set to reversal. Keep talking shit chump.

Are you trullly this stupid or you are just ignorance? There is the thing call recovery frames. When somebody says a move is fully invincible, this means only the start up and active frames are invincible. Now go to the lab. Got a character to knock Smoke down and try to meaty him. See what happen.

 

[Matix218]

We huh? What's your resume? You were arguing the point that it was "FULLY INVINCIBLE" and I proved you wrong. So a fully invincible move got punished by a move set to reversal. Keep talking shit chump.

So you think that for a bar smoke should be able to 100% get up for absolutely free, no risk at all against every character negating all reads by both players? Sounds fun...

 

[BlackJackSnack]

Some odd bugs. Nothing game breaking, unless you're super OCD.

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I wasn't aware of the Bug_Me bug lol.

I do believe that the jump practice bug is with all characters now, if that's not the case I know kung lao has the same problem.

 

[Hype Dragon]

What you guys think of smoke? Are you still excited for him or feel disappointed in some ways?

 

[JesterSMX]

Are you trullly this stupid or you are just ignorance? There is the thing call recovery frames. Now go to the lab. Got a character to knock Smoke down and try to meaty him. See what happen.

I can spell truly and the word you were looking for was ignorant. In a delayed wakeup situation you're screwed. Using it any way other than immediate wakeup makes it not FULLY INVINCIBLE.

 

[xKhaoTik]

You can just grab smoke out of the phase on wakeup. My friend was doing it to me alot. I guess throws have priority over invincibility, just like mk9

 

[JesterSMX]

So you think that for a bar smoke should be able to 100% get up for absolutely free, no risk at all against every character negating all reads by both players? Sounds fun...

You just described almost every character in MK. Plus armor... safe armor... they get up for a bar. So he has an unsafe fully invincible move that causes no damage. The point of the move is to get away from pressure. What sense does it make that his escape move is unsafe. It's not an escape move then.

 

[BlackJackSnack]

Still very excited, gonna be a little while until someone plays him at an optimal level.

For the lin kuei!!

 

[GrimJack]

We huh? What's your resume? You were arguing the point that it was "FULLY INVINCIBLE" and I proved you wrong. So a fully invincible move got punished by a move set to reversal. Keep talking shit chump.

Btw cassie ex nutpunch is also fully invincible. Do it with subzero set on reversal and see what happen.

 

[Azxrath.]

Disappointed in every way

 

[GrimJack]

You just described almost every character in MK. Plus armor... safe armor... they get up for a bar. So he has an unsafe fully invincible move that causes no damage. The point of the move is to get away from pressure. What sense does it make that his escape move is unsafe. It's not an escape move then.

For example, little cassie cage do b124, you do ex phase through the gap between 24 and whiff punish her for doing the whole string. The ex phase has one of the best mind-game wake up in the game.

 

[GrimJack]

Disappointed in his pokes. D3 has less range than d1

 

[Azmodeus]

every other variation has a better overhead option and his damage is pretty lackluster, but hes still sick looking

 

[Matix218]

You just described almost every character in MK. Plus armor... safe armor... they get up for a bar. So he has an unsafe fully invincible move that causes no damage. The point of the move is to get away from pressure. What sense does it make that his escape move is unsafe. It's not an escape move then.

Most characters have to take a risk when using their armored wakeups man. This crap that people preach about "everyone has safe armor" is a load of bs. Most characters that use armored wakeups can he blown up if the opponent reads it. There needs to be some element of reading your opponent's next move and not just a "well, smoke has a bar, I guess oki is completely pointless" situation.

 

[X-xAvOk-X]

I did a full overview over smoke how to play him and weakness check it out.