Wonder Woman General Discussion Thread

[moraelgamed]

Apparently MB shield bash does stage transitions . I didn't know about that.

bummer, looks like it is a gear thing. Shit, that would have been cool

 

[Stanlos]

She's just a different character entirely than the first game, it doesn't mean she sucks. She just has near no dirt or has anything broke or OP, doesn't make her bad. She controls the midrange and corner exceptionally well and that's where you want to be. You shouldn't be trying to use her upclose other than D12, or conditioning them to block 223 for the plus frames after. She's a character you have to grind for a little before you can get comfortable.

Her strengths are her mid range control, her reversals, her damage, her punishing, and her being near free to jump in with JI3 if you know your range, to get some strings going or for chip. She plays like a fundamentally sound character at its core and I honestly don't see how thats a bad thing. There's only a handful of characters that give her a hard time and thats only because they're stupidly OP or borderline broke; it's not a flaw on her end.

Do I feel she needs some adjustments, yes, but you guys are trying to bring back INJ1 WW and thats simply not going to happen, nor does it correlate with her playstyle.

-I think her air dash should either be default or they should fix it to correct her side when crossing up
-trait buff should be selectable; if not, recovery should be cut in half
-B2 should be 17f like before since it has even less range and near no AA properties even when they're right above it; they should also fix the AA properties in general too, kinda like how Takeda's would hit you anywhere
-F23 should be made -6
-Shield toss should be -18
-Shield toss*MB can keep its gap point blank, but it should be safe, neutral or plus on block
-Parry startup should be brought back down to 4f, but preferably 3f; recovery on it in general, whiff and on success, should also be reduced
-113 shouldn't have a gap
-D2 should be 12f
-B11 should be neutral on block
-22 should be neutral on block
-D3 should either be neutral on block, or have faster startup. No reason why it's such a slow sweep with minimal range and be as negative as it is

I know Akro is right and I have seen his vids that back up everything he says. But for me the frustration comes from picking up this game with a character called WONDER WOMAN in it but finding she is really more Xena than WW. At the best the kit fits someone like Big Barda who is Superstrong but who doesn't fly unaided and has her Mega Rod. Injustice 2 creators seem like they didn't read any DC stories.

But I think switching gears and just getting to know this new character could yield some positives in time

 

[Gooberking]

I know Akro is right and I have seen his vids that back up everything he says. But for me the frustration comes from picking up this game with a character called WONDER WOMAN in it but finding she is really more Xena than WW. At the best the kit fits someone like Big Barda who is Superstrong but who doesn't fly unaided and has her Mega Rod. Injustice 2 creators seem like they didn't read any DC stories.

But I think switching gears and just getting to know this new character could yield some positives in time

Dude, I would pay good money and jar full of my toenail clippings for a Xena warrior Princess skin.

 

[AcCooper20]

I know Akro is right and I have seen his vids that back up everything he says. But for me the frustration comes from picking up this game with a character called WONDER WOMAN in it but finding she is really more Xena than WW. At the best the kit fits someone like Big Barda who is Superstrong but who doesn't fly unaided and has her Mega Rod. Injustice 2 creators seem like they didn't read any DC stories.

But I think switching gears and just getting to know this new character could yield some positives in time

I'd be willing to bet that the higher ups at Warner Bros wanted NRS to make her more aligned with the cinematic version this time around. The movie version of WoWo can't fly which is why almost all of her flight moves were removed.

 

[fong03]

I'd be willing to bet that the higher ups at Warner Bros wanted NRS to make her more aligned with the cinematic version this time around. The movie version of WoWo can't fly which is why almost all of her flight moves were removed.

She flies in the trailers for the movie and she flies in the actual Injustice 2 story mode. Removing her fight abilities from her basic move set is not consistent with her portrayal in either the film or the game.

I wish they had received that directive because there's nothing about the WW in this game that resembles the character from the film or comics.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

No Wonder Woman in top 46.

I ll say it once again. Winning against scrubs and somewhat decent players online doesn't make Wonder Woman tournament viable.

 

[shyndoa]

She's tournament viable. It's just people are lazy. Why playing with your brain when you can play brainless ?

But it's cool if they will buff ww because people are lazy to learn a character who is already solid.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

This is my reaction everytime I get her shield buff trait against a zoner...

 

[Evil Canadian]

She's tournament viable. It's just people are lazy. Why playing with your brain when you can play brainless ?

But it's cool if they will buff ww because people are lazy to learn a character who is already solid.

Its because people aren't brainless that wonder woman isn't viable. If you are at a tournament and want any inkling to win you would stay far away from her because people like batman/superman/adam/atrocitus and the like are better than her in effectively every conceivable aspect. Being brainless would mean you said fuck all that and picked WW.

 

[shyndoa]

Nah you're just lazy to learn a match up. Because it's not in favor for wowo you prefer to counter pick or asking for a buff. That's why it's brainless. You just want the easiest way to win. She has tools. If you play ww like a rushdown character then you wrong.
It's only day +15 and people asking buff and nerf.

 

[weedking]

6frames d1 that hit mid and lead to full combo but still complaining about character nice

but apart from that she has almost no tools, I dont think people yet realize her shield toss is -33 on block (free dash)

stupid playstyle you try to keep your enemy in distance but vs zoners you cant do shit


C tier, because I like her

if someone like ww playstyle go check captain cold

 

[moraelgamed]

Its because people aren't brainless that wonder woman isn't viable. If you are at a tournament and want any inkling to win you would stay far away from her because people like batman/superman/adam/atrocitus and the like are better than her in effectively every conceivable aspect. Being brainless would mean you said fuck all that and picked WW.

Where is the Monkey persona ?

Anyways, Yes. It is a case of having a character that have others who do can what she is good at but better and with much less struggles. Still, WoWo isn't garbage, she is just alright while the real top tiers like Black Adam are batshit insane at the moment.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

Is there any point in using parry against rushdown? You block one hit and get hit by 2nd.

Parries in NRS games have been simple and to the point when it comes to design yet they miserably failed to grasp the purpose of Wonder Woman's bracelets.

Kitana's royal storm parry reflects projectiles.
Kitana's assassin parry does damage to opponent when Melee attacks are parried.
Kenshi's reflect parry refects projectiles.
Liu kang's parry does damage to opponent when Melee attacks are parried.

Subzero's icy freeze parries Melee attacks.

Subzero's ice barrier blocks projectiles and freezes Melee attacks allowing you free hit.

What really is the purpose of wonder woman's parry? If you try to parry multiple projectiles you are more likely to get hit by all of them then successfully parrying them. Not to mention the low projectiles that you can't even parry.

Even when you successfully parry the projectiles the damage boost you get is for very limited time and this is the character who has little to no tools to open up her opponent.

MB shield bash and shield uppercut can't be used to extend combos nor do they have armor. Damage is pathetic.

She is a meter dependent character and her best way to build meter is to get beat up and lose half you health before engaging your opponent.

Don't get me started on random trait. Even if she was allowed to activate all traits at the same time I doubt much would change.

 

[Akromaniac27]

Is there any point in using parry against rushdown? You block one hit and get hit by 2nd.

Parries in NRS games have been simple and to the point when it comes to design yet they miserably failed to grasp the purpose of Wonder Woman's bracelets.

Kitana's royal storm parry reflects projectiles.
Kitana's assassin parry does damage to opponent when Melee attacks are parried.
Kenshi's reflect parry refects projectiles.
Liu kang's parry does damage to opponent when Melee attacks are parried.

Subzero's icy freeze parries Melee attacks.

Subzero's ice barrier blocks projectiles and freezes Melee attacks allowing you free hit.

What really is the purpose of wonder woman's parry? If you try to parry multiple projectiles you are more likely to get hit by all of them then successfully parrying them. Not to mention the low projectiles that you can't even parry.

Even when you successfully parry the projectiles the damage boost you get is for very limited time and this is the character who has little to no tools to open up her opponent.

MB shield bash and shield uppercut can't be used to extend combos nor do they have armor. Damage is pathetic.

She is a meter dependent character and her best way to build meter is to get beat up and lose half you health before engaging your opponent.

Don't get me started on random trait. Even if she was allowed to activate all traits at the same time I doubt much would change.

In the end, I guess it's better to just receive buffs to cater to players such as yourself. It'll just make our job easier and the moppings that much more common. It's astounding how a character that revolves around fundamentals and HAS the means to win and play entirely with that, is seen as bad because she can't freely mix or make it her turn for 99% of the match like in the oh-so skilled MKXL meta, that carried numerous players.

 

[LEGI0N47]

Is there any point in using parry against rushdown? You block one hit and get hit by 2nd.

Parries in NRS games have been simple and to the point when it comes to design yet they miserably failed to grasp the purpose of Wonder Woman's bracelets.

Kitana's royal storm parry reflects projectiles.
Kitana's assassin parry does damage to opponent when Melee attacks are parried.
Kenshi's reflect parry refects projectiles.
Liu kang's parry does damage to opponent when Melee attacks are parried.

Subzero's icy freeze parries Melee attacks.

Subzero's ice barrier blocks projectiles and freezes Melee attacks allowing you free hit.

What really is the purpose of wonder woman's parry? If you try to parry multiple projectiles you are more likely to get hit by all of them then successfully parrying them. Not to mention the low projectiles that you can't even parry.

Even when you successfully parry the projectiles the damage boost you get is for very limited time and this is the character who has little to no tools to open up her opponent.

MB shield bash and shield uppercut can't be used to extend combos nor do they have armor. Damage is pathetic.

She is a meter dependent character and her best way to build meter is to get beat up and lose half you health before engaging your opponent.

Don't get me started on random trait. Even if she was allowed to activate all traits at the same time I doubt much would change.

I like the parry the way it is. But that's probably because I played her in the first game.

It's great for those char's who want to pressure with a safe F3 or similar on wake up set ups that you would otherwise have to hold. Then they have to hold 400+. It also allows you to punish some specials that you otherwise can't either because they're safe or you eliminate pushback or weird hitbox locations. Again for 400+. Terrible right?

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

In the end, I guess it's better to just receive buffs to cater to players such as yourself. It'll just make our job easier and the moppings that much more common. It's astounding how a character that revolves around fundamentals and HAS the means to win and play entirely with that, is seen as bad because she can't freely mix or make it her turn for 99% of the match like in the oh-so skilled MKXL meta, that carried numerous players.

She should be given buffs because she needs them not because I want them. Not a single Wonder Woman in top 46 at combo breaker. It's not like i m the only one complaining about her underwhelming design. Filipinochamp who mained her in previous game has also stated his opinion of Wonder Woman in this thread. Foxygrampa who played Wonder Woman in last game is not touching her this time around. I personally don't care about tournament scene but it is the best way to determine which characters are low tier.

Its like she is trying to be everything but ends up being nothing.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

I like the parry the way it is. But that's probably because I played her in the first game.

It's great for those char's who want to pressure with a safe F3 or similar on wake up set ups that you would otherwise have to hold. Then they have to hold 400+. It also allows you to punish some specials that you otherwise can't either because they're safe or you eliminate pushback or weird hitbox locations. Again for 400+. Terrible right?

So her parry is useful against like 2-3% of attacks in game not the rest?

That might work against another WoWo player but against the majority of characters you are going to get eat 300+ meter less damage. Not to mention the health you lose just trying to get in.

 

[Akromaniac27]

She should be given buffs because she needs them not because I want them. Not a single Wonder Woman in top 46 at combo breaker. It's not like i m the only one complaining about her underwhelming design. Filipinochamp who mained her in previous game has also stated his opinion of Wonder Woman in this thread. Foxygrampa who played Wonder Woman in last game is not touching her this time around. I personally don't care about tournament scene but it is the best way to determine which characters are low tier.

Its like she is trying to be everything but ends up being nothing.

I fail to see your point? There were about 15-20 characters missing in top 46, so that statement holds no value other than illustrating how top, the top tier are. Complaining about aesthetic and lore is not the same as demanding impractical buffs because you believe you need 50/50s, long range AND plus frames to do well with a character that already excels without half of that.

Filipinochamp made like one showcasing with her and that was it. Neither him not foxy at the height of the game utilized all her tools regardless. It was as simple as get in or turtle, do a 50/50 or frame trap and go from there. Ironic how the pattern seems to be, I need a 50/50 and plus frames to do well or else I fall on my ass. Mind you, I don't recall seeing either of them at major tourneys placing with her outside of locals. So if she was this oh so fantastic character, why was it still such a climb to win with her given ALL the tools she had.

And I've played Foxy's CW with my WW and won decisively the first laggy match we had. Second match was even worse so he won due to free jump ins and free cat dashes that would get blown up in a heartbeat with a stable connection, like how Semij's CW got punished each and every time. I obviously left after that because it was like playing on pre patch MKXL servers.

At the end of the day, majority of tourney players don't need or have any connection with a character. They pick who they FEEL is strong and compliments them and go from there. They have no issue dropping or swapping one character for another to get a win and keep it simple.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

I fail to see your point? There were about 15-20 characters missing in top 46, so that statement holds no value other than illustrating how top, the top tier are. Complaining about aesthetic and lore is not the same as demanding impractical buffs because you believe you need 50/50s, long range AND plus frames to do well with a character that already excels without half of that.

Filipinochamp made like one showcasing with her and that was it. Neither him not foxy at the height of the game utilized all her tools regardless. It was as simple as get in or turtle, do a 50/50 or frame trap and go from there. Ironic how the pattern seems to be, I need a 50/50 and plus frames to do well or else I fall on my ass. Mind you, I don't recall seeing either of them at major tourneys placing with her outside of locals. So if she was this oh so fantastic character, why was it still such a climb to win with her given ALL the tools she had.

And I've played Foxy's CW with my WW and won decisively the first laggy match we had. Second match was even worse so he won due to free jump ins and free cat dashes that would get blown up in a heartbeat with a stable connection, like how Semij's CW got punished each and every time. I obviously left after that because it was like playing on pre patch MKXL servers.

At the end of the day, majority of tourney players don't need or have any connection with a character. They pick who they FEEL is strong and compliments them and go from there. They have no issue dropping or swapping one character for another to get a win and keep it simple.

20-21 different character were played atleast once. I don't know where you are getting 15-20 characters figure.

Tourney players play top tier characters to maximize their chances of winning. If Wonder Woman was top 10 as you seem to be claiming someone would have used her in top 46.

She definitely was better character in previous game.

 

[shyndoa]

So you think poison ivy, blue beetle, bane and harley quinn are top tier with aquaman batman superman atro deadshot and black adam ?

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

So you think poison ivy, blue beetle, bane and harley quinn are top tier with aquaman batman superman atro deadshot and black adam ?

Harley is a zoner.
Ivy is anti zoning character with some zoning of her own.
Blue beetle has inter testing tools to contend other guys and bane has armor and does shit ton of damage. Bane obviously has trouble against zoners but he has armor which helps him get through.

 

[AK XEN0M0RPH]

She should be given buffs because she needs them not because I want them. Not a single Wonder Woman in top 46 at combo breaker. It's not like i m the only one complaining about her underwhelming design. Filipinochamp who mained her in previous game has also stated his opinion of Wonder Woman in this thread. Foxygrampa who played Wonder Woman in last game is not touching her this time around. I personally don't care about tournament scene but it is the best way to determine which characters are low tier.

Its like she is trying to be everything but ends up being nothing.

Fchamp played sinestro for like 2 months

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Asking for buffs or nerfs already is so not acceptable at all... the game has been out for 2 weeks only, at least wait two months (at the VERY least IMO)
People act like she is horrible and I just disagree with that, she has her issues but she is far from horrible.

 

[Evil Canadian]

what is Aphrodite forbidding exactly anyways

 

[moraelgamed]

Isn't Aphrodite supposed to be the goddess of love and sex and all of that ? That quote kinda makes no sense, what is she forbidding.