Who is Supergirl's worst match-up?

[Dankster Morgan]

Imo Aquaman vs Supergirl is a clean 6-4 in Aqua's favor. Supergirl is definitely top tier though, she's not OP though. Some of you guys are honestly just idiots, nobody is denying how good she is.

 

[colby4898]

Am i the only one who thought she was perfectly balanced pre patch? Like she was the level of balance they should have been aiming for with other characters.

 

[Rude]

What doesn't make sense? MU numbers and tier lists are subjective. IMO she has the least losing MU's, some may agree or disagree. What are you not understanding?

There comes a point where you can know when a match up is clearly, objectively bad.

Or was Lex vs Zod "just opinions?" It's an extreme example and I don't think there is any match up in this game like that, but the point is the match ups where a character struggles can be proven more often than not.

Do you see what I mean when I say that you're making no sense?

 

[Rude]

Imo Aquaman vs Supergirl is a clean 6-4 in Aqua's favor. Supergirl is definitely top tier though, she's not OP though. Some of you guys are honestly just idiots, nobody is denying how good she is.

I just want a clear, mutually agreed upon list of who she loses to.

Given that you've given me a better answer than 90% of the Supergirl mains here, well...

 

[LaidbackOne]

Am i the only one who thought she was perfectly balanced pre patch? Like she was the level of balance they should have been aiming for with other characters.

You mean punishable on almost everything? How is that balanced?

 

[Rude]

What doesn't make sense? MU numbers and tier lists are subjective. IMO she has the least losing MU's, some may agree or disagree. What are you not understanding?

Put it another way: If I were to go to say, the Joker forums, and I asked them who he lost to there would be a consensus. Or if I asked the Dr.Fate players if Deadshot beat Fate, chances are they'd say yes because he does.

So why all the beating around the bush with Supergirl? This isn't a hard question. Who does she definitely lose to?

 

[x TeeJay o]

Dude I like you, but you yourself made a MU chart showing that she has 1 bad MU and 11 good ones, 3 of which are 7-3 hard counters.

Bruh her only 7-3's are some of the worst characters in the game lmao. Catwoman has 1 losing matchup possibly none from what I hear. Same with red hood. Same with blue beetle who apparently has 2 bad MUs. I don't hear any of you with the pitchforks out for them lol. Post patch she lost a few of those 5-5 matchups because of damage reasons. She now has adequate damage to make up for those shortcomings. Make no mistake I never once said she wasn't good. She is a balanced top tier character. Honestly every top tier is balanced with the exception of maybe Batman because of obvious reasons. Idk why but it feels like yall think the game should have all shit characters and no top tiers? Be glad she's designed like this as a top tier and not like fucking Batgirl

 

[GrimJack]

the Adam match up seem a bit tricky IMO. since his f1 straight up fly over her d1 then the 2nd hit hits her recovery after d1 so adam can go for f12 more freely without fear of opponent juggle him after d1 hit airbone.
If that make sense?

 

[SaSSolino]

the Adam match up seem a bit tricky IMO. since his f1 straight up fly over her d1 then the 2nd hit hits her recovery after d1 so adam can go for f12 more freely without fear of opponent juggle him after d1 hit airbone.
If that make sense?

Yes, it does. She can low profile his main footsies string and whiff punish, which makes it bad for him. I've been saying this since day 1.

This isn't a Supergirl problem though, that string's terrible against small characters (and Scarecrow).

Bruh her only 7-3's are some of the worst characters in the game lmao. Catwoman has 1 losing matchup possibly none from what I hear. Same with red hood. Same with blue beetle who apparently has 2 bad MUs. I don't hear any of you with the pitchforks out for them lol. Post patch she lost a few of those 5-5 matchups because of damage reasons. She now has adequate damage to make up for those shortcomings. Make no mistake I never once said she wasn't good. She is a balanced top tier character. Honestly every top tier is balanced with the exception of maybe Batman because of obvious reasons. Idk why but it feels like yall think the game should have all shit characters and no top tiers? Be glad she's designed like this as a top tier and not like fucking Batgirl

Well I don't know about Red Hood honestly, but Blue Beetle might only have 2 losing MUs, thought I don't think he has 11 winning MUs as well.

As far as Catwoman goes, really? People aren't complaining about her? I thought they did, just now Supergirl is even more problematic and gets priority.

Also there is no such thing as a "balanced top tier", characters are either "balanced" or "top tier". If with "balanced" you mean that she has almost every tool instead of some crazy stuff, then I agree with you that it is better than the other way around. Still though, Bone Shaper was very similar in that design concept, but still deserved nerfs, just not as many.

 

[myri]

Supergirl does not have a plethora of winning matchups either though, she has maybe 4 or 5 and those are only 6-4 in her favour, nowhere near unwinnable for her opponent. 95% of her matchups are 5-5, she doesn't dominate and she doesn't get dominated, she's a good character that's perfectly fine as is.

I honestly believe she has maybe 2 or 3 losing matchups that are 4-6 to her opponents but I haven't run them yet/enough to say for sure so I don't want to start saying that for certain yet until I can get games against those characters.

Don't forget your view on matchup numbers can be skewed if the players you verse just aren't up to the standard they should be to give you the right idea of what's going on. This is exactly part of the reason I'm taking my time to feel out every matchup.

Point is, she goes 5-5 nearly across the board. If you come up against a Supergirl and you are a better player and know the matchup, you should win.

 

[Juggs]

There comes a point where you can know when a match up is clearly, objectively bad.

Or was Lex vs Zod "just opinions?" It's an extreme example and I don't think there is any match up in this game like that, but the point is the match ups where a character struggles can be proven more often than not.

Do you see what I mean when I say that you're making no sense?

Objectively bad is 3-7 or worse to me. She has no MU's where she loses 3-7 or worse imo. Aside from that, the numbers themselves are arbitrary and subjective. There isn't a consensus yet on all of her MU's since the patch. Some say she loses to AM 4-6, some say it's 5-5, for instance.

 

[Tweedy]

Myri is the only one really downplaying. Everyone else is reasonable imo.

 

[myri]

Myri is the only one really downplaying. Everyone else is reasonable imo.

How?

 

[LaidbackOne]

"There is no balanced top tiers".
You heard it on TYM first guise.
So basically top tier = broken?

 

[Tweedy]

How?

4-5 winning match ups and they're only 6-4? ummmmm lol

 

[myri]

4-5 winning match ups and they're only 6-4? ummmmm lol

And? If I was downplaying I'd say she's bad and not top 10, but she's a great character and definitely top 10. Sorry my opinion on matchups doesn't line up with your own but it doesn't make me a downplayer. People can keep calling me out over this character for the next two years but I love playing her, I play her well and I'm going to continue to speak my mind about her in reasonable discussion.

I don't give a fuck.

 

[Tweedy]

It just seems like Grandmaster Sub syndrome to me where they thought hella 6-4 match ups were 5-5 because they were just downplaying. Only 4-5 winning match ups is a stretch imo, I think she probably has an edge on a lot of the cast, even if she doesn't have a lot of match ups where she wins significantly.

Like idk how Captain Cold, Robin, Firestorm, Joker, Swamp Thing, Cheetah would go 5-5 with Supergirl and that's more than 5 right there. I'm sure she has the edge on a bunch of other characters too.

Supergirl always had everything outside of damage and safety. Now she's the most complete character in the game. She's not extremely broken or making the game worse, it just is what it is. She's gonna have an advantage on most of the cast and she doesn't lose to many.

I think those saying she loses to no one are also stretching it. She certainly has no 3-7s but it's not like the people saying she loses to no one are actually grinding those match ups. She might lose to Aquaman or Green Arrow or whoever. She's very complete but that doesn't mean that she wouldn't lose a couple match ups. Like how is Supergirl vs Bane for example? She could lose a match up like that that she seems to do fine in on paper. Gotta grind it out.

 

[myri]

It just seems like Grandmaster Sub syndrome to me where they thought hella 6-4 match ups were 5-5 because they were just downplaying. Only 4-5 winning match ups is a stretch imo, I think she probably has an edge on a lot of the cast, even if she doesn't have a lot of match ups where she wins significantly.

Like idk how Captain Cold, Robin, Firestorm, Joker, Swamp Thing, Cheetah would go 5-5 with Supergirl and that's more than 5 right there. I'm sure she has the edge on a bunch of other characters too.

Supergirl always had everything outside of damage and safety. Now she's the most complete character in the game. She's not extremely broken or making the game worse, it just is what it is. She's gonna have an advantage on most of the cast and she doesn't lose to many.

I think those saying she loses to no one are also stretching it. She certainly has no 3-7s but it's not like the people saying she loses to no one are actually grinding those match ups. She might lose to Aquaman or Green Arrow or whoever. She's very complete but that doesn't mean that she wouldn't lose a couple match ups. Like how is Supergirl vs Bane for example? She could lose a match up like that that she seems to do fine in on paper. Gotta grind it out.

I know this was just a general comment and not directed at me specifically but I just wanted to say I agree with the general idea of what you're saying here. What I said before is truly how I currently feel about her matchups but I'm totally willing to change those thoughts if need be after I've run those matchups more and more. I don't want everyone to take my word as law but this is a discussion and I want to offer my opinions on the character I love playing.

 

[x TeeJay o]

Yes, it does. She can low profile his main footsies string and whiff punish, which makes it bad for him. I've been saying this since day 1.

This isn't a Supergirl problem though, that string's terrible against small characters (and Scarecrow).



Well I don't know about Red Hood honestly, but Blue Beetle might only have 2 losing MUs, thought I don't think he has 11 winning MUs as well.

As far as Catwoman goes, really? People aren't complaining about her? I thought they did, just now Supergirl is even more problematic and gets priority.

Also there is no such thing as a "balanced top tier", characters are either "balanced" or "top tier". If with "balanced" you mean that she has almost every tool instead of some crazy stuff, then I agree with you that it is better than the other way around. Still though, Bone Shaper was very similar in that design concept, but still deserved nerfs, just not as many.

So beetle has 2 losing matchups, is he OP Too? Too many tools?

 

[SaSSolino]

So beetle has 2 losing matchups, is he OP Too? Too many tools?

Blue Beetle might only have 2 losing MUs, thought I don't think he has 11 winning MUs as well.

 

[Redk9]

I think she loses to captain cold and black Adam.

 

[JustFrames]

I typically don't have big problems with most of the situations you just listed. Like I said, it's actually her backwards walk speed that usually gets my ass. I really need to learn to give it the respect it deserves. Maybe I should mix in some more throws after the b123 string? Would that help me? Cause sometimes I get nervous about making a move after that string.. sadly..

yeah that would help you out because b123 is -4 on block and cant be cancelled so if you block the entire string pressure her

 

[GrimJack]

Yes, it does. She can low profile his main footsies string and whiff punish, which makes it bad for him. I've been saying this since day 1.

That's quite opposite what I said. the second hit of f12 will punish you for going for d1 since adam will fly over Supergirl d1. she can't throw out d1 like most character can vs Adam. Not saying it's a losing MU. even IMO

 

[SaSSolino]

That's quite opposite what I said. the second hit of f12 will punish you for going for d1 since adam will fly over Supergirl d1. she can't throw out d1 like most character can vs Adam. Not saying it's a losing MU. even IMO

No, because f12 will whiff against a d1 or d3 as well, it will even whiff against a neutral couching Supergirl at some distances.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Yes, it does. She can low profile his main footsies string and whiff punish, which makes it bad for him. I've been saying this since day 1.

This isn't a Supergirl problem though, that string's terrible against small characters (and Scarecrow).

Well, if only Black Adam had a launching overhead string that hits from footsie range that you could use against these pesky crouching opponents..