Tournament Viable Characters for 2013

[xInfra Deadx]

Sonya/Ermac is fucking terrible. At the highest level its unwinnable for Ermac. Ermac best chance is for the Sonya to jump all game or dropping combos constantly or even experiencing the input bug more than normal.

7-3 minimum.

Since when did you start up-playing matchups?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I rage quit out of there as soon as I lost lol. I swear he only made top 16. Did he really make top 8?

Haha yeah, Riu was 7th, and Showtime was a hair's edge away at 9th.

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

Haha yeah, Riu was 7th, and Showtime was a hair's edge away at 9th.

Oh damn I didn't know. Well that craps on my statement lol.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I'm going to be maining Curbo and Forever King at my next tourney.

10-0 MU for the tourney.

GG's thread.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

i think skarlet is more overrated than sektor is, and considering how much I downplay my char, that's saying something

damn...skarlet community on blast?

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Yes!! Finally someone who thinks this. I thought I was the only guy.

yo lets play online somemore...so I can prove you right

 

[xenogorgeous]

Raiden, Smoke and Skarlet, if played at the ultimate skill level by competent players

 

[Eddy Wang]

Is it me or am I the only one that thinks skarlet is bad? I don't understand how she is good with her 2% daggers on hit. Her armor is good but easy to bait and not too hard to fuzzy guard.

yeah this exactly. We know this as well.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I gotta say 4-5 pages in I'm surprised no smoke player has lashed out at me for putting smoke on the viable list

 

[xKhaoTik]

Treadmill
Also can we look at Reptile's matchups?

I mean just look at him vs all the characters on Pig's list.

Jax - Maybe Even (Tyrant makes it look bad, but it's Tyrant so who knows?)
Shang Tsung - Even
Smoke - Maybe even
Mileena - Maybe even or slight disadvantage

Liu Kang - Loses
Kung Lao - Loses
Johnny Cage - Loses
Cyrax - Loses BAD
Sonya Blade - Loses BAD
Kabal - Loses
Freddy Krueger - Loses

Kenshi - Originally though even, but Pig thinks Reptile loses, I agree.

Kitana - Originally Reptile's favor, but getting closer to even now IMO. When is the last time a Reptile beat a top Kitana? MIT lost to a Kitana at Dallas with Rep, Nubcakes (who is REALLY good) lost to a Kitana at SCR, and I saw at the last BnB TylerLantern lost in GF to a Kitana. Kitanas have really adapted and learned to play this matchup smart.

so how can a char who has MAYBE ONE winning matchup (Kitana) out of all of the top 13 characters be tournament viable? Especially when more than half of those matchups are losing ones.

i was the only person on this planet who thought Kit vs Rep was even. I'm glad it's finally coming to light

 

[GGA HAN]

i was the only person on this planet who thought Kit vs Rep was even. I'm glad it's finally coming to light

I have to politely disagree. I run this MU all the time...and Reptile isn't even my main. GGA 16 Bit, can you please chime in? I can't explain this as well as he probably can...but I feel Reppy def. takes this.

 

[Chongo]

I know that after WB my opinion doesn't count for shit, but I think that Liu Kang and Cage are even.

 

[GGA HAN]

Why is nobody else questioning Reptile on the list?


What is the last time Reptile has placed top 5?

Chris G was top 32 at SCR, top 16 at WB

MIT got 9th at MLG Anaheim, but didn't use exclusively Reptile.

TylerLantern got 25th at Dallas and 13th at Raleigh

Cossner got 25th at Dallas

Nubcakes was top 32 at SCR


Am I missing any other top Reptile placings?
I mean has any Reptile even made top 8 at a major within the last year? (Technically I did, but it was Revelations which wasn't that big.)


Honestly, how can Reptile still be on that list?

ahem...

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

ahem...

You got me! I hadn't seen that match.

Still though, there are a lot of reptile losses!


I actually want to see this match so I'm gonna watch it now.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

I gotta say 4-5 pages in I'm surprised no smoke player has lashed out at me for putting smoke on the viable list

DJ L Toro 's Community Quit Smoking Project thread is working apparently.

 

[xKhaoTik]

ahem...

i wanted to cry at the 11:17 mark

also, this looked 5-5

hype match tho.

 

[Justice]

No, the whole cast does not have 2-8 and 1-9 matchups. Im not talking about a 4-6 matchup, im talking one that is practically unwinnable.

Every matchup is winnable unless it's a 10-0. Even then, there's a chance the player could outplay his opponent.

I really don't understand this North American mentality of "If I have a haard matchup, I'll counter-pick instead of levelling up my main". Like I have a hard time vs Kenshi with Sonya but do I run to Kabla? Fuck that! I work Sonya's heart-shaped ass until she can beat Kenshi

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

standard 4-6, standard 4-6, tough 4-6, tough 4-6, just about 3-7.

It's not bad...the problem is he doesn't win/dominate a ton of MU's....but he can hold his own for sure.

Shang-Sektor is not a standard 4-6: If it were not for Sektor's 6 frame jab (which makes it easier for him to escape pressure) this would easily be 7-3 Shang. Sektor can't zone or counter Shang's zoning with IAT because the skulls come out of the ground. SS and D4 make it very hard for Sektor to play footsies at any range and Sektor gets completely destroyed when he is cornered. The only plus is that Sektor does fairly well if he gets Shang cornered. I also don't see how Sektor-Kenshi is only 4-6, especially since Kenshi gets outzoned by almost nobody and negates any footsie and pressure options that Sektor has with SC and his armored moves. Maybe Pig Of The Hut can chime in.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

Every character has losing matchups, so I guess you could say the same thing about the entire cast as well.

Not kabal!

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Shang-Sektor is not a standard 4-6: If it were not for Sektor's 6 frame jab (which makes it easier for him to escape pressure) this would easily be 7-3 Shang. Sektor can't zone or counter Shang's zoning with IAT because the skulls come out of the ground. SS and D4 make it very hard for Sektor to play footsies at any range and Sektor gets completely destroyed when he is cornered. The only plus is that Sektor does fairly well if he gets Shang cornered. I also don't see how Sektor-Kenshi is only 4-6, especially since Kenshi gets outzoned by almost nobody and negates any footsie and pressure options that Sektor has with SC and his armored moves. Maybe Pig Of The Hut can chime in.

Not that I'm taking the easy way out here I'm just not discussing MUs

But it's NOT 6-4 , sektor has to work harder than that

 

[Killphil]

I gotta say 4-5 pages in I'm surprised no smoke player has lashed out at me for putting smoke on the viable list

Here let me help. FrothyOmen

 

[PPJ]

I think shang vs sek is only 6-4 shang

 

[NKZero]

Shang-Sektor is not a standard 4-6: If it were not for Sektor's 6 frame jab (which makes it easier for him to escape pressure) this would easily be 7-3 Shang. Sektor can't zone or counter Shang's zoning with IAT because the skulls come out of the ground. SS and D4 make it very hard for Sektor to play footsies at any range and Sektor gets completely destroyed when he is cornered. The only plus is that Sektor does fairly well if he gets Shang cornered. I also don't see how Sektor-Kenshi is only 4-6, especially since Kenshi gets outzoned by almost nobody and negates any footsie and pressure options that Sektor has with SC and his armored moves. Maybe Pig Of The Hut can chime in.

WTF? If not for the 6 frame jab? It's one of his tools....but if Shang didn't have skulls well.....it's irrelevant. Part of the reason it's 4-6 as you correctly mentioned is his ease of getting out of pressure for a full combo potentially. Sektor cannot anti-zone I agree and Shang outranges Sektor in the footsie department. However at F2/B1 range Sektor has the quicker options so soul steal alone cannot eliminate his approach. Both have very good corner games and both have poor wake-ups/strong anti wake-up games against each other so those things cancel out. Sektor has to play a very reactive game which gives Shang the upper hand for sure. I think up close Sektor can pose a few of his own problems but I forgot about the nature of Shang's hit-box. I think standing 1 connects right?

As for Kenshi, I'll be interested to see what Pig says but I think Sektor has some MU specific stuff that can help him out somewhat, and I think the large hit-box of Kenshi's is a bigger detriment to Kenshi himself than realised.

 

[Slips]

Slips would like a word with you.

Scorpion's got AT LEAST four 3-7 matchups (probably more). The vortex/void gives him a random shot but your gonna have to have World Series of Poker luck to win it all. As is with any character wiith that many bad matchups. So if they are not included, I don't think Scoprion would be either.

Pig's list is fine. Needs Sektor, Reptile and Raiden and its good to go.

 

[SatsuiYesHadou]

Oh I'll show yall just how viable johnny cage is at ncr