There are too many factors involved to make a MU chart based only on the best player and how he plays his MU. the other player has to be equally as good and as skilled at all times with their character to make it worthy of MU numbers. This has never happened.
he is better in casuals. I found out after Raleigh
Probably because Pig wants to be as safe as possible in order to not give the opponent an opportunity to make him use meter so he can do all that ex shoulder stuff.More like almost every time the opponent jumps.
I haven't seen many Kenshis outside of Pig, Blackula, Michaelangelo, and Forever King, but Blackula is the only Kenshi I see that actually does AA 21 combos with Kenshi.
Not trying to put you on blast Pig, just saying.
care to give us some of that juice? This is the first I have heard of fullcomboing her strings
I don't think anyone is suggesting to make a matchup chart based only on the best player (unless you can find where that was said). However, I think it's indisputable that matchup charts have consistently evolved due to specific players and the tech/strategy they discover.
As good as that sounds, what sounds better: 8% and opponent full screen, or 20+% and full screen?
You kind of said this...but thats besides the point. you cant make a Kenshi MU chart based on pigs play. He is the best kenshi by far but there are holes in his gameplay.
In before Tom misinterprets this as a blowup and says he gets no respect in this community.
That's not what I said, if that's what you thought I meant. Think of it this way:
no one is denying this logic...but because pig blows people up and gets top 3 at tournaments, that doesnt make kenshi top 3. And that doesnt make his kenshi the "highest possible level". It just makes it the highest level kenshi around at the moment.That's not what I said, if that's what you thought I meant. Think of it this way:
Regarldess of whether those people are perfect, you can't say the Kenshi matchup chart would have evolved this way without Pig's study and skill at plowing the depths of every single matchup to find every little advantage and disadvantage for top-level play. Likewise with the Sub-Zero matchup and Brady, Kabal/REO etc. Detroit/Wound/Shang. PL/Lao, etc. etc.
There are always a lot of people that contribute to the MU knowledge.. But it usually takes one or 2 people of a certain level to show people the true potential of certain situations and tools.
Imagine what would happen if half of the absolute top players were forced to study and main a less-explored character in tournaments for the next 5 months; you don't think the MU chart would change at all?
All of her strings have huge gaps in it. Her standing 4 is the only one that doesnt but it is -8 on block.
Yeah, I don't think anyone meant this.
That's why I said that matchups are still evolving and will continue to do so as long as the game and it's community are living and breathing. However, you can't deny that there's a difference between Pig or MIT playing a character at a level that competes with the top players in the top tournaments in the world, and a random person who happens to be the best at a certain character because it hasn't been attacked at the same level yet.
thank you...when will people understand this and stop forgetting.
Say Dizzy jumps at you, are you going to risk the nut punch for 20% or just take 8% and keep on truckin'?
risk is different based on so many factors:
I understand what you're saying but I think Pig's Kenshi design is based around the usage of ex shoulder and minimizes the usage of breakers. For this type of style to be effective he has to not breaker.... and in order to not use breaker on a jump in he has to not AA with a normal and go for a special instead or wait for the opportune moment to ex shoulder them out. Basically he keeps his 2 bars to gain access to a defensive strike that makes him safe and he uses them in very precise moments. The other way to use those 2 bars is to take a risk like jumping out, doing a 21 AA or poking and fail so you break instead.
this changes my whole view on sonya and me knowing how limited she is in offense.
so d4 military stance really is the only thing she has that can start offense safely? ofcourse she has ex cartwheel but without meter she is pretty fucked, the dive kick is a fast and dangerous move but is also risky.
Dispite my lack of offline sonya players to practice against i took a little while out of my day to practice ducking her highs and 21-smokebomb punishing, if that fails cant you just uppercut the second hit of like every string she has?
Can you also just jump out of her MS stuff on block?
It sucks how limited she is. She's obviously top tier with her other tools but fighting someone with good spacing and someone who doesn't fall for her jumping antics is tough. @Mr. Milenna and @khaotikx play this mu perfectly along with blackula.
