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Question - A-List Should a list be nerfed

Should a list be nerfed.


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Kompetitor

Johnny Cage Specialist
Thats the problem here in Brasil, @Killer Xinok beat so much in then that they believe the problem is the caracter, not the player.

Some guys here in Brasil make fun of me for telling that Quan chi is better than JC, they find that absurd saying that i dont know nothing, go figure!
@Killer Xinok and @GGA Dizzy are the best cage players hands down, honestly its' just their playing ability in each match up. If cage was broke, he'd be in every top 8, like tanya and lao. People need to lab, find the gaps, learn how to fight cage, and stop complaining.
 

Xerclipse

"I saw you staring"
A-List is really good, but it doesn't deserve nerfs. The pressure isn't completely godlike. All the opponent has to do is look at his stamina. That should give a good idea on what options Johnny has left. His low starter is too predictable, so A-List doesn't have perfect mix ups. Sure the pressure is good enough to keep the opponent from doing anything and start taking chip damage, but its not destroying the cast.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
A-List is really good, but it doesn't deserve nerfs. The pressure isn't completely godlike. All the opponent has to do is look at his stamina. That should give a good idea on what options Johnny has left. His low starter is too predictable, so A-List doesn't have perfect mix ups. Sure the pressure is good enough to keep the opponent from doing anything and start taking chip damage, but its not destroying the cast.
Perfect post bro, nailed it. The highlighted part, I think this is the main reason people are struggling with JC this far in. Learning the match up is one thing, at this stage most people are somewhat familiar with every character they face on a regular basis and have put some amount of effort into learning what their opponents character does and how to beat it with their own. However, knowledge alone doesn't teach you awareness and multitasking, and keeping track opponents meter + stamina at once DURING the pressure and use this information to rule out what sensible options they have available, BEFORE making the read. However, if you do start doing this and calm yourself and focus during the pressure, it becomes a lot more balanced. Yes, the pressure is still amazing - but its not broken - its simply what the character has, overall as a whole, there is no way he is broken IMO and I main 2 characters that struggle to deal with pressure. JC is a hard character to play AGAINST thats what it comes down to
 

DeftMonk

Warrior
why make a post like this about your char? Anyway, my opinion about johnny is similar to jax...leave him be. Hes fun to play and has some sort of tool to use in most situations, but at the same time if you know the matchup vs him you can hold your own without too much trouble. No 50/50s into half a life bar for no meter 'round here.
 

EMPR_MURK

Warrior
My honest opinion of alist is that ALL of his cancels should not be able to jail (similar to dragons fire). I just picked him up so idk what specific cancels should be touched but damn lol. Not like this :coffee:

And i see why his arms are what they are in terms of hitbox issues. The spacing meta for johnny is god.
 

shura30

Shura
if you stagger 11 some people think he will go for 113 so they block low,some think he may stop and do f24 so they block high.
jc is not good because 113/f2 menace
that's actually the easiest string to fuzzy and 113's gap make it so that no decent jc player should use that string outside of a combo

How can you even consider nerfing Cage when :

1) He doesn't dominate in any scene.No tournament has ever been dominated by A-list players in any part of the world. Xinok or Dizzy winning a few events has nothing to do with Cage. It's like saying that Kitana needs some nerfs because Sonic Fox wins a lot with her
that's why it's stupid picking tiers after tournament results, something this community loves to do since forever

he can't jail people for days like some ignorant players are assuming. Other characters have a similar pressure and are also better than him in different aspects
ofc I'm not amongst the ones asking for nerf but you should know by now that jc does not exploit character weaknesses as much as he do the player's
 

Somea2V

Thread Referee
Anyone else just so tired of this nonsense that you're ready to say "f*** it, nerf A-list". I am tired of everyone and their mother up playing Cage in THIS game and I would actually be happy to play a useless character if it meant people would finally shut up about something they don't actually understand.
 

Somea2V

Thread Referee
i dont play the character and find the jax/cage matchup annoying so sure, let's nerf him.
You're a terrible human being.

New idea: Maybe we can stave off nerfing by making a community guide on how to beat Cage? I mean, it's pathetic af to do lab work for other people. But as Cage players, we know how to beat Cage. It's obvious where his holes are to us. Why don't we just make a thread that tells everyone how to fight us, and then maybe we wont get nerfed!!!!
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
You're a terrible human being.

New idea: Maybe we can stave off nerfing by making a community guide on how to beat Cage? I mean, it's pathetic af to do lab work for other people. But as Cage players, we know how to beat Cage. It's obvious where his holes are to us. Why don't we just make a thread that tells everyone how to fight us, and then maybe we wont get nerfed!!!!
Terrible human being? Come on man I don't think Cage should be touched, I used to play him. But that's a little much.
 

xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
I'm mad someone said A-list is honest lol.

As much annoyance as he causes to play vs him (pretty salty that f21 whiffs when he does d4 to low profile), the most I can even think of doing to him, honestly, is removing the whiff cancelling of f3, knocking off some of it's cancel advantage on block so that it's not jailing into everything, and that's basically it.
So what you're telling me, is that we nerf the thing he's actually good at.A mid tier character.Yeah guys lets nerf goro and kano and other mid tiers.Yeah they're so broke dude.
Reptile is fair if Johnny's fair lmao.
Ok you're telling me reptile is OP and johnny cage is OP. And you're also saying that you don't have to be top tier to be......Top tier?Lol so....*tries to hold in laughter* you're telling me that johnny cage, a character with amazing cancels, ok anti-airs good stagger strings, Absolute shit jump ins, no mixups (if you mention 11 f2 and 113.....Do you even know tht fuzzy blocking exists?)needs nerfs?On his cancels?F3 is Johnny's life support, if you remove jailing from that......Lol
 
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xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
My honest opinion of alist is that ALL of his cancels should not be able to jail (similar to dragons fire). I just picked him up so idk what specific cancels should be touched but damn lol. Not like this :coffee:

And i see why his arms are what they are in terms of hitbox issues. The spacing meta for johnny is god.
wut?So basically you could've said: "Hey guys, FUCK JOHNNY CAGE HE IS OP AS FUCK HE HAS JAILING CANCELS NERF HIM" May not be polite, but this deserves the "Most Ignorant post of 2015" award.Yes sir, you deserve it.No thanks are necessary.


NotLikeThis
 
You're a terrible human being.

New idea: Maybe we can stave off nerfing by making a community guide on how to beat Cage? I mean, it's pathetic af to do lab work for other people. But as Cage players, we know how to beat Cage. It's obvious where his holes are to us. Why don't we just make a thread that tells everyone how to fight us, and then maybe we wont get nerfed!!!!
Maybe, but not because of that post. Anyways, your post has strengthened my resolve. I scheduled a meeting with Ed Boon to discuss my Cage nerf plans. Oh snap!
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Cage will be nerfed so bad, he will only have one 7-3 matchup in his favor, the others being 2-8.
The 7-3 matchup will be against Grandmaster, who will be nerfed so fucking into the ground that even after-nerf Cage will be better.
 

Somea2V

Thread Referee
Cage will be nerfed so bad, he will only have one 7-3 matchup in his favor, the others being 2-8.
The 7-3 matchup will be against Grandmaster, who will be nerfed so fucking into the ground that even after-nerf Cage will be better.
It's probably what we deserve with our brain dead, easy execution, plus frame pressure. You know, that thing that let's three Cages breeze into top 8 in these past few majors? ;)
 

omooba

fear the moobs
NERF please, Johnny Cage in my opinion is God Tier.. This character crash with 8 strings skrc... BEST pressure in the game wih D'Vorah, Forceball EX [+4] to continue pressure after the stamina ends, only character combo with 2 cancels, only character combo with dash [F3RC, 121RC and B34]..
dude please fuck outa here lol unless your trolling in which case continue on