Question - A-List Should a list be nerfed

[zaccbarias]

in a game where there are safe 50-50's is it really game breaking to have a good/great pressure game?

 

[arthriticbasher]

Well imo if you can't block Johnny then your certainly not blocking these characters with actual 50/50's

 

[thlityoursloat]

F0xy Grampa's arguments are all invalid due to being a Lao player.

 

[Spencer]

If he can jail like Liu kang he deserves the same treatment Liu kang will get

 

[arthriticbasher]

Imo any character without a true 50/50 deserves too have something great too compensate for it

 

[thlityoursloat]

Imo any character without a true 50/50 deserves too have something great too compensate for it

Kung Cancer compensates for it.. by being perfect in literally everything else. Cage has excellent pressure and great footsies but that's about it.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Kung Cancer compensates for it.. by being perfect in literally everything else. Cage has excellent pressure and great footsies but that's about it.

Yeah Kunt Lao does just fine.

 

[Wigy]

If he can jail like Liu kang he deserves the same treatment Liu kang will get

He can't

His jails are tight unlike lius, nobody is doing them perfect at the highest level.

He doesn't have 3/4 screen dragon kicks that are +2 or armour breaking 9 frame mids. He definitely doesn't have fucked up endless pressure where some of the cast have a 50/50 between more pressure or TRADING a poke if you're frame perfect, and eating a full combo with 0 risk if u guessed wrong.

Oh you read the b12, guess what hes neutral and you get nooothinggg.

 

[Kompetitor]

Cage wont get nerfed, imo hes not even as "OP" as he was in mk9. There are way more characters that need 'adjusting' so please hop off the nerf cage bandwagon. He doesnt get 50% meterless combos (hell not even with 3 bars) in A list, he doesnt have real 50/50's-you can armor out, you need excellent execution, he doesnt have a forward advancing ex move plus on block to use to refill his stamina, his projectiles are...he is impossible to hit confirm without cancels so if he doesnt have stamina he must use meter for ex forceballs to stay plus- which u can poke out if i try to follow up, he has a gap in his only low string, hes not tanya, and there are a lot of other characters that have d4s as good as his.

 

[Wigy]

People underestimate the effect of being stamina reliant as well.

Cage can sort of counterzone with his forceballs but in some matchups, liu kang for example, you will HAVE to run in and f3 at some point as he has very little way of controlling space otherwise. In that case you are left with very little as f34 is unsafe also leads to nothing and u dont have stamina to RC. Your other option is run in d4 which isnt a great option considering you're risking a full combo or eating some projectile etc and having to restart your crawl to get in again.

Hes a great character but people dont realise how bad stamina limits him in particular matchups where characters out footsie him.

People go on about how cassie is stamina reliant, i play her as my secondary and she is but b124 saves her a bit on that front. Jc is maybe the most stamina dependent in the game and relies entirely on jails from run cancels as his normals are fairly crap on their own aside from d4

 

[OutworldKeith]

How about we call for nerfs on characters like Quan Chi

 

[omooba]

How about we call for nerfs on characters like Quan Chi

Aren't you the dude who was calling for liu kang nerfs
And Johnny is IMO better than kang

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Aren't you the dude who was calling for liu kang nerfs
And Johnny is IMO better than kang

how

 

[omooba]

113 is plus 1 so it is safe if skrc'ed. But you give up your pressure going for it. I use it for as a mix up. Not at all as a regular thing.

Since when is 113plus 1

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Since when is 113plus 1

W/ the SKRC

 

[omooba]

how

They do basically the same thing.
Liu has a little better zoning.
Johnny has a lot better pokes
They both get roughly 9% inescapable chip
Both don't have 50/50's
Both have bad jump ins
Both have 7frame anti airs
Johnny's d4 option is basically unblockable and safe but liu's b2, also basically unblockable isn't safe
But what really makes a huge difference for me is Johnny's advancing string and Johnny has Jesus' knee

 

[omooba]

W/ the SKRC

Pretty sure 113 cancelled into anything can be armored and the run cancel is very negative

 

[GAV]

This thread has run its course...

 

[RyuKazuya]

How about we call for nerfs on characters like Quan Chi

you r da man!!!

 

[kelevra]

Pretty sure 113 cancelled into anything can be armored and the run cancel is very negative

You can 113skrc which is +1 into block and bait any kind of armor.

 

[THTB]

Pretty sure 113 cancelled into anything can be armored and the run cancel is very negative

He's +1.

Cage wont get nerfed, imo hes not even as "OP" as he was in mk9. There are way more characters that need 'adjusting' so please hop off the nerf cage bandwagon. He doesnt get 50% meterless combos (hell not even with 3 bars) in A list, he doesnt have real 50/50's-you can armor out, you need excellent execution, he doesnt have a forward advancing ex move plus on block to use to refill his stamina, his projectiles are...he is impossible to hit confirm without cancels so if he doesnt have stamina he must use meter for ex forceballs to stay plus- which u can poke out if i try to follow up, he has a gap in his only low string, hes not tanya, and there are a lot of other characters that have d4s as good as his.

Cage in MK9, at only one point in his pressure, could force you to block, and he has to have bar and you had to either not have armor or not have bar. Cage in MKX can jail you from sweep distance. Also, Master D has high chip setups after but punch with a bar, which is essentially additional damage to the combo. It gives him around 40% too altogether, based on what he's told us. It's honestly no different than MK9, arguably more fucked up overall.

 

[IrishMantis]

Am i the only Cage player that thinks Cage overall is S tier?

 

[omooba]

He's +1.

Seriously? Well you can still poke anything he does I think but good to know
QUOTE="IrishMantis, post: 1993197, member: 8323"]Am i the only Cage player that thinks Cage overall is S tier?[/QUOTE]
Nope

 

[THTB]

You can 113skrc which is +1 into block and bait any kind of armor.

This is what throws me off. Nobody does this lol. People think the possibility of armor coming out should be the end of pressure. Making them feel pressured to want to armor is still part of the pressure.

 

[Wigy]

They do basically the same thing.
Liu has a little better zoning.
Johnny has a lot better pokes
They both get roughly 9% inescapable chip
Both don't have 50/50's
Both have bad jump ins
Both have 7frame anti airs
Johnny's d4 option is basically unblockable and safe but liu's b2, also basically unblockable isn't safe
But what really makes a huge difference for me is Johnny's advancing string and Johnny has Jesus' knee

Duuuuuude. The kang downplay is real.