Scorpion Sucks, Scorpion Rules - Lets Complain Here

[NariTuba]

Slips (Scorpion) and Konqrr (Kitana) had an AWESOME match today at EVO! Konqrr took it but is was VERY close and could have been ne1s match.

Certainly the scariest scorpion ive seen.

 

[16 Bit]

It's ridiculous to say Slips' placement proves something. He lost to two Kitana's, his worst matchup. It was GGs with Konqrr and we know each other, on another day he might have beaten me. Slips narrowly loses to top placing Kit's so somehow he can't compete like the characters in top 16? Nonsense.

 

[Pagan]

It's ridiculous to say Slips' placement proves something. He lost to two Kitana's, his worst matchup. It was GGs with Konqrr and we know each other, on another day he might have beaten me. Slips narrowly loses to top placing Kit's so somehow he can't compete like the characters in top 16? Nonsense.

I think if it proves anything it's that he's a good player either way.

 

[Sc0tt2288]

Which characters did we see in the top 16??
Sub Zero, Reptile, Smoke, Mileena, Kitana, Jax, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Kabal, Shang Tsung, and Raiden.

This is a huge portion of the cast; 12 characters, and NRS should give themselves a pat on the back for how balanced the game is to actually achieve that feat.
I saw every character on stream today apart from Jade and Quan Chi.

I think it says something if Jax is better than Scorpion.
The Jax player beat Online Tony, who in turn [Online Tony] beats Michelangelo.
Amazing stuff.

So it'd be nice to have Scorpion buffed to the point he could be prominent in a top 16 like these characters were. (Jax just got his butt kicked in the top 16 though, not one good round even, but he got there!)
I don't think he really needs much past the wakeup move that goes through attacks plus is safe on block, as well as the fastest teleport to deal with heavy zoners.

Sooooo you are trying to tell me Cyrax sucks also and needs a buff b.c. he was not in the top 16 either? ooooookkkkaaaayyyy

 

[Lyuben]

I think Scorpion was good. Slips proved that, just because he faced a very even and epic match and lost, does not mean that Scorpion was not top tier. If he had faced someone else or circumstances were SLIGHTLY different. Then Scorpion might have gone a lot farther.

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

Pimp, what are you looking for here? A win button? Just cause scorp didn't made top 8 don't mean nothing. If you can't play or know how to play scorp doesn't mean he automatically needs some buff just to make YOU happy.

 

[THTB]

Scorpion making it that far out of 500 participants says something. What is interesting, as well, is that Cyrax is not in top 8 and there aren't a boatload of Kungs and Raidens in top 8...like a lot of people predicted.

The only thing these results are saying is that people need to actually learn shit for their characters, because you must be doing something wrong if you have characters like Jax in the top 16.

 

[StoredRyan]

Deffo think scorpion and cyrax need buffs, both of them not in top 16

 

[iNFUSiON]

Nobody needs to touch my Scorp. Y'all might fuck up my whole game wit the boi

 

[TWZTID]

your scorpions just suck!!!!


especially that Infusion fgt

 

[JimmyClimax]

scorpion may need a frame taken off of his teleport, but a problem is his wiffed spear taking forever. I don't want them to buff that and then his recovery time is so quick that he is too cheap. I think people need to work around problems a character has and make them better. Until you have reached the ceiling with the character, keep working and working. That is my goal, to find new ways to make Scorp great and work around the pitfalls he has.

 

[Scoot Magee]

All this talk about top 8... Do you guys realize that the top 8 has 8 different characters? Scorpion could have easily been one of them.

Scorpion is good, learn how to play him.

 

[DanCock]

scorpion is actually pretty good.. hes all about taking risks more so then any other character maybe quan is the same..

 

[STORMS]

according to Slips... you all apparently just suck.

/endtrolling

 

[IKizzLE]

The funny thing Pimp, kitana is a terrible matchup for scorpion and slips had the least experience with kitana. The fact that he put up that fight against two of the best kitanas at evo, one making it to top 8, says something. If slips fought any other series of characters, he would be in top 8 right now. Its just the luck of the draw. Scorpion is atleast upper mid.

 

[zRaandom x]

:topicsucks:

 

[babalook]

@ Baba

I saw that and liked it a lot. If you did enhanced spear off of f4 at that range, it would make it a safe 50/50 (E. Spear recovers quicker on block and can't be ducked).

@ Pimp

People keep saying "Scorpion is a good character he's just really unsafe" and don't even see how that's not a walking contradiction. While Slips will probably come on here to say it was human error, I honestly thought Slips was playing solid and made more good decisions than his opponent. The problem was, there are far more opportunities for Scorpion to make a mistake than Kitana and so Scorpion loses the advantage in the long haul.

this is extremely powerful holy shit, it's even better because after the tele reset the opponent normally expect the crossup overhead so the low is even trickier, he has so many options of this reset it's rediculous.

 

[Pagan]

this is extremely powerful holy shit, it's even better because after the tele reset the opponent normally expect the crossup overhead so the low is even trickier, he has so many options of this reset it's rediculous.

I think he also did an instant air teleport at one point. It seems like a really good setup for a throw if your opponent doesn't know about it.

 

[cgerrr]

It's ridiculous to say Slips' placement proves something. He lost to two Kitana's, his worst matchup.

It actually proves (my) point; I rephrase it for better understanding:

If a character has bad/worst match up against top tier and/or popular character(s), then he/she is a character which is not suited for competitive play.



And why placement of prominent and skilled (arguably the best) player of particular character does not proves anything? It’s the result, which is undeniable and it is pretty solid indication by itself (whole statistic based around that principle).

To be more to the subject: how many Scorpions we saw at top 8 at any past majors including EVO? How about none.
Statistically speaking (and from a common sense stand point), it proves that Scorpion as a character does not have what it takes to win in competition, which is the whole point of this thread.





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[ELC]

For Scorpion, it's all about nickel-and-dimes until you can cash in a combo. Condition with 1/11/111 strings at short-range and hellfire at long-range, then once you've instilled fear into them, pop a spear for a combo or reset. His mix-ups, although potent, cannot be hit-confirmed and our thus very risky. Hellfire also acts as a good zoning tool due to quick start-up and tracking ability, and, against insta-air fireballs, it enables mind games with EX Spear. Teleport and Takedown and their EX Versions are best reserved for combos due to being unsafe on whiff and block.

To be honest, the only thing Scorpion might need is a feint or cancel for Spear, so if he successfully baits a jump from 3/4-screen, he doesn't have to worry about a jump-ok teleport punish when he goes for anti-air spear combo.

 

[Lyuben]

Maybe make Ex-Spear recover very quickly on block/wiff. Not unpunishable but kung lao spin punishable. Would something like that help?

 

[Random_Name_63]

For Scorpion, it's all about nickel-and-dimes until you can cash in a combo. Condition with 1/11/111 strings at short-range and hellfire at long-range, then once you've instilled fear into them, pop a spear for a combo or reset. His mix-ups, although potent, cannot be hit-confirmed and our thus very risky. Hellfire also acts as a good zoning tool due to quick start-up and tracking ability, and, against insta-air fireballs, it enables mind games with EX Spear. Teleport and Takedown and their EX Versions are best reserved for combos due to being unsafe on whiff and block.

To be honest, the only thing Scorpion might need is a feint or cancel for Spear, so if he successfully baits a jump from 3/4-screen, he doesn't have to worry about a jump-ok teleport punish when he goes for anti-air spear combo.

I really like the idea of a feint or cancel for Spear. That could be devastating.

 

[babalook]

I think he also did an instant air teleport at one point. It seems like a really good setup for a throw if your opponent doesn't know about it.

i noticed it too ive tried it in training mode and it has to be super instant in order for the punch to whiff but on whiff it's recovery seems quite fast

 

[Fuzzymic14]

Scorpion is a wildcard, a 50/50 character. he needs no buff.

 

[Kindred]

Scorpion doesnt suck, you suck...no offense
I hate playing against a good scorpion because I feel like Im at the casino, sure Ill get it once in a while but most of the time im getting fucked.