OutworldKeith
Champion
You're going a bit over the edge. F34 wont be as good as it is now when players start to master FB.
You're going a bit over the edge. F34 wont be as good as it is now when players start to master FB.
You simply set AI to duck.
F3 stagger and F32 will be even stronger against somebody who can flawless block it lol. But that is just my theory.
Nah, people always will find something to complain about. No matter what. It is inevitable. Especially if they’re getting mopped up online to a certain character. The rage complaints will always be a factor.
Maybe you do, but clearly you’re doing it wrong if this is what you’re choosing to complain about. If you’re going to blatantly ignore advice on how to deal with your complaints, you’re choosing to not actually want ways to deal with it. Meaning you just want the character nerfed so you don’t have to actually lab against him. Based on what you said in this post, that much is clear.
IDK if all characters can do this, but Subz can poke him out of f32. It's a small gap (f3*2). He can even Fatal Blow throw it lol. F32 is good, but it aint great.
His teleport is the only thing that needs nerfing. Along with any move that can be amped on block. Other than that he’s just a solid character.
You know that cause you play the cast? Lol
Sorry but what the absolute unholy FUCK?!
I don’t agree with specials being able to be amplified on block. I just posted a video of me playing him earlier.
Nope. Teleport is only like 6+ on hit. Most you could get is a d1 check.So no vortex off of a teleport on hit?
Maybe?
Oh lol I did not know about that. Sub has 6F D1 so if he can poke out it means that 6F can poke out.
I only know this because Subz is my 3rd character.Oh lol I did not know about that. Sub has 6F D1 so if he can poke out it means that 6F can poke out.
In that case sub can D1 blindlessly and beat F3 throw and F32? Maybe beat F34 too? In that case that is pretty much hard counter then.
Not everybody has 6F move though.
I went to lab and that's right. 6F interrupts... That means 7F can trade every time? i could not trade with Scorp 7F D1.
I actually played against a “dead of winter” Subz earlier (the variation with the 50/50). As long as you can react to the overhead it’s simple to beat him. Personally, I’d still use Reborn because he can’t corner you easily.I went to lab and that's right. 6F interrupts... That means 7F can trade every time? i could not trade with Scorp 7F D1.
OMG I tried F3xxTeleport and he interrupts it as well. I have out of option now. lol
F34 has the same starting frames it is interresting how they made it to be able to flawless block AND 6F poke does not interrupt. Maybe because he is airborne...
Btw that only means that against sub zero the Searing Rage variation is not that good as the Reborn. You lose the F32 threat for S3 throw anyway. Besides that the 212+4 ender and the BS is in there but I think the cancels now are more effective.
For me the Searing Rage variation is better as I like playing more neutral and keep defensive meter for break aways/wake ups. And to that playstyle the more patient play is better which fits me better (in that patient play putting BS up is also takes part).
But of course there are situations (e.g. against sub) where it is less efficient and cancels are more paid off...
Yes reacting overhead is important. But conditioning hard to block low and with other stuff it can be difficult. 19F is just around the point which is possible to react for a normal people.
It's perfonal preference. With that BnB you do only 212 damage (after F32) for 1 bar and leave you in +6 which means 7F poke trades with F3 - but of course you can step back or wait for whiff punish lol. But that means the opponent has many opportunities to go out of pressure. With +7 it would be much more clean "vortex" into F3 pressure.
Better oki it is like free restand every time!
F. Throw KB does 220 damage plus DOT with burning spear active. Searing Rage definitely hits harder compared to Reborn.Yes reacting overhead is important. But conditioning hard to block low and with other stuff it can be difficult. 19F is just around the point which is possible to react for a normal people.
Against Scorp dead of winter is to go to variation I think. Slow projectiles would not do anything against scorpion anyway.
So dead of winter vs Reborn is the valid match up I think.
Concerning setting to manual KB: I also support it it brings new level of the player's gameplay.
I am a scorp player but to be fair I agree with his argument. If it is fully punishable anyway by just continuing to hold block why should our opponents have the punished window reduced and their punish timing varied because we are able to input the meter burn late. If the goal is to have the move (which is a full screen tracking launcher btw) be full combo punishable why not just make us input the meterburn when we input the tele like it always has been? Other than making it unnecessarily harder to punish what is the justification for us being able to input the meter burn late?
What’s the justification for us to not be able to do it? Like I said there’s no guessing, you can punish both options without knowing if they will amplify it. So when people ask for unnecessary changes that make no sense... They’re just lazy and want it as braindead easily as possible to punish.
I get it but it just seems like an odd choice to let us stagger the timing of the meterburn at all. Clearly the intent of the move is to be hella negative and full combo punishable and if you are commiting to an ex teleport on a read (ie outside of a guaranteed punush/hit confirm/reaction to a projectile or whiff) why shouldn't it be an easy punish. How many frames do we have after teleport is blocked to input the meterburn and still have it come out? If we have several frames to do this it seems just unnessesary to me since the move is clearly supposed to be easily punished on block. It is ultimately a non issue as strong players will be able to punish no matter how long you delay but it just seems odd that this is the first time that you dont have to input the meterburn with the teleport and can actually delay it after it has been blocked. Whatever though, if it stays great, maybe ill catch some people snoozing or autopiloting their punish but any competant player will blow us up on block either way