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Hitoshura

Head Cage
I can copy and paste this and apply it to any discussion. This is such generic advice and you've totally missed the point.
No. I did not. You're acting as though the certain tools we speak of are a saving grace and will get us the win when no one has proclaimed that. All we're saying is he has great tools at his disposal for what he does as a character. If you want a character with 50/50's play Sub-Zero or Sonya. Noob Saibot isn't your character.

It's "generic" advice that can be applied to all fighting games because it's what one needs to be good at them. It's fundamentals.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
You just answered your own question there dave. Now Geras has to come to you. Thats what Noob wants against rushdown characters.
No, he does not. He can safely chip you with sand traps from a distance and Noob can neither punish them nor react with the teleport. The sand trap is arguably the best projectile in the game because of its space control. It is vastly superior to the spirit ball and the shadow tackle, but of course almost anything is better than the shadow tackle.

Geras does slightly less damage from a safe, mid-hitting, 11 frame, three-hit string that a monkey can hit-confirm. Noob has b+1,1+3 which is good but nowhere near as good as Geras's f+2,1,2. Besides, Geras punishes b+1,1+3 every single time with the sand trap, as I have mentioned before. The point is I would gladly take 5% less damage from a far better string. Hell, I would even take 10% less damage if Noob had a special move like the sand trap.
 

JTC

ABILITY TO FREEZE
He likely is. Perhaps low mid tier at the worst.

First of all, for those players who expected to play a "premier zoning character" as advertised on the Kombat Kast, you will play the wrong gameplay style and end up being frustrated and disappointed.
Link to this so called premiere zoning character as advertised? You always harp on about this but nrs never advertised him as a zoning character. If you can provide a link that nrs advertised noob as being a premiere zoning character ill gladly eat crow. Otherwise youre just in your own delusion.
 

Dante

Mortal
If Noob is considered a joke of a character, I have to wonder what the term for Kotal would be.
And that's exactly a huge issue the game has. Most Characters aren't that well designed. Either bad frame data or just lackluster move lists that contradict with what each of them plays for.
So instead of nerfing chars to noob saibot lvl chars should be buffed up to subzero lvl (whom I consider the most well designed one) IMO
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Well then.

I stand corrected.

Good find.
Remember that NRS also called Darkseid a zoning character and Shao Kahn "Doomsday". LOL. Sometimes their labels have no significance whatsoever.

If Noob is considered a joke of a character, I have to wonder what the term for Kotal would be.
I do not think Noob is bad or a joke character. I think he is mid tier. However, I am highly critical of the character's gameplay design, particularly after the false representation on the Kombat Kast. I am also critical of the players who claim he is top 10. In other words, these players are saying that Noob is as good as characters like Baraka, Cassie, Jacqui, Jax, Kabal, and Liu Kang, which I find very hard to believe.
 

Matix218

Get over here!
You just answered your own question there dave. Now Geras has to come to you. Thats what Noob wants against rushdown characters.

And no, Geras does not deal the same dmg as Noob. Noob deals 40%+ dmg with 1 bar, while Geras deals around 35% dmg with 1 bar in midscreen.

Regarding 50/50s Noobs does not need them.
Which consistent bnb are you using to deal over 40 with 1 bar?
 

TheGlow

Retired Noob
Which consistent bnb are you using to deal over 40 with 1 bar?
113, teleport amp, tricky part is another 113 but 1 has to whiff. You can micro dash after slam but if first 1 hits then rest fails. Vs females 3 will also whiff. In this case you dont micro dash but micro walk up to kill another frame or 2. Still want first 1 to whiff. Micro gives more time but only vs males.
After 113, b1, 1+3 teleport.
 

Trini_Bwoi

Kombatant
113, teleport amp, tricky part is another 113 but 1 has to whiff. You can micro dash after slam but if first 1 hits then rest fails. Vs females 3 will also whiff. In this case you dont micro dash but micro walk up to kill another frame or 2. Still want first 1 to whiff. Micro gives more time but only vs males.
After 113, b1, 1+3 teleport.
Waz dropped this combo at summit, felt real bad.
 

Dante

Mortal
113, teleport amp, tricky part is another 113 but 1 has to whiff. You can micro dash after slam but if first 1 hits then rest fails. Vs females 3 will also whiff. In this case you dont micro dash but micro walk up to kill another frame or 2. Still want first 1 to whiff. Micro gives more time but only vs males.
After 113, b1, 1+3 teleport.
On females you can connect the entire 113 string into b11+3 actually
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
No, he does not. He can safely chip you with sand traps from a distance and Noob can neither punish them nor react with the teleport. The sand trap is arguably the best projectile in the game because of its space control. It is vastly superior to the spirit ball and the shadow tackle, but of course almost anything is better than the shadow tackle.

Geras does slightly less damage from a safe, mid-hitting, 11 frame, three-hit string that a monkey can hit-confirm. Noob has b+1,1+3 which is good but nowhere near as good as Geras's f+2,1,2. Besides, Geras punishes b+1,1+3 every single time with the sand trap, as I have mentioned before. The point is I would gladly take 5% less damage from a far better string. Hell, I would even take 10% less damage if Noob had a special move like the sand trap.
He cant kill you with the sand traps when in fullscreen. And you can just walk forward and move in that sweet mid range spot where Noob can compete against Geras. Noob also deals great dmg off 113. I never mentioned using b1, 1+3 string unless its a punish and unless opponent pushes buttons in -f etc which is pretty much what i see with every Geras player doing these days :REO. They use f212 on block and then they d1 almost all the time lol. Shit is fun as hell to watch.

For Gera's f212, Noob has f2.

Also i forgot to mention the range on Noob's regular throws. That shit is ridiculous, he practically sucks the opponent in and not to mention the fact he has 2 KB's from throws only! Thats 62% dmg!


P.S: I m not saying that Noob wins against Geras, but lets be real right here. Character has some issues yes, but not the ones i see some posting in this thread. He was supposed to be a zoning character yes, but guess what. If they buff his zoning, they will nerf his other tools.

Except from the b3 and clone KB requirements, the only changes i would give Noob, is to make his up knee special move a mid hitting attack, a slighly faster startup and better recovery in his clone tackle move and slightly reduce the dmg his tp does as a combo ender cause that shit is ridiculous af.

With these changes implemented he could compete against everyone imo.
 
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Metzos

You will BOW to me!
113, teleport amp, tricky part is another 113 but 1 has to whiff. You can micro dash after slam but if first 1 hits then rest fails. Vs females 3 will also whiff. In this case you dont micro dash but micro walk up to kill another frame or 2. Still want first 1 to whiff. Micro gives more time but only vs males.
After 113, b1, 1+3 teleport.
You can connect b1, 1+3 after a full connected 113. It just requires practice. Timing is a bit tricky but it can be done. I ve started using this combo 2 days ago and i have almost gotten the hang of it. And you can use it against females as well.
 

KGA Prosaic

RM Prosaic
Dude, Noob's pretty solid. Dude is hitting 40% off a 7f punish. Has a restand that's +5. Several moves that don't have a hurtbox. An amazing anti air. A projectile that wins a lot of trades. And pokes that make highs jail that have next to no recovery. And can we mention that damage again. A fatal blow that can go full screen

Things that are stopping him from being OD are his Krushing Blow requirements. A 30f start up teleport. And his clones going away on hit. But thats only important cause of the silly KB requirement. I've played a lot of matchups with him and so far the only real challenging one is Geras.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
He cant kill you with the sand traps when in fullscreen. And you can just walk forward and move in that sweet mid range spot where Noob can compete against Geras.
You are describing the fundamentals of zoning and proving my point. Noob has to approach Geras who controls the pace of the match with sand traps. Why is a rush down character controlling the pace of the match against a "premier zoning character"?

For Gera's f212, Noob has f2.
One move is a safe, mid-hitting, 11 frame, three-hit string that can easily be hit-confirmed into 35%+ of damage. The other move is a fast high attack that leads to limited damage unless you are in the corner. You are a very good player so I do not have to explain which one is better.

I agree with the rest of your post.

I've played a lot of matchups with him and so far the only real challenging one is Geras.
I disagree, but even if you are right, Geras is ubiquitous at the moment. Everyone and their mothers have a pocket Geras.
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
You are describing the fundamentals of zoning and proving my point. Noob has to approach Geras who controls the pace of the match with sand traps. Why is a rush down character controlling the pace of the match against a "premier zoning character"?



One move is a safe, mid-hitting, 11 frame, three-hit string that can easily be hit-confirmed into 35%+ of damage. The other move is a fast high attack that leads to limited damage unless you are in the corner. You are a very good player so I do not have to explain which one is better.

I agree with the rest of your post.



I disagree, but even if you are right, Geras is ubiquitous at the moment. Everyone and their mothers have a pocket Geras.
Well it seems that in NRS's mind they wanted Noob to be a truck hitting monster with really good footsies and spacing tools. Perhaps the "zoning character style" they mentioned was that he can zone out his opponents with his normals, which he can. Thats not a bad thing imo. Ghostball and clone tackle are just a bonus.

F2 can lead up to almost 20% if canceled to clone. Thats not bad for a meterless combo which is hella easy to hit confirm.
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
Also Geras can deal that dmg you mentioned in the IW variation because of the choke. The New Era variation deals significantly less dmg midscreen.
 

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
To everyone saying Noob sucks, please watch BeyondToxin and tell me how he is not good. He might not be as good as the top tiers but crying for buffs?!! Really?! Come on people, get real, he is FINE.

I usually don’t just go with whatever pro players are saying, but since basically all of them agree that he is at least solid, I really don’t understand wth this thread is about.
 

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
Also: saying a character loses to the likes of Geras does not mean he needs buffs. It just means Geras might be a little too strong overall, he basically excels at every aspect of the game. Of course every other character has a hard time against him.
 

DarkSado

Apprentice
Also: saying a character loses to the likes of Geras does not mean he needs buffs. It just means Geras might be a little too strong overall, he basically excels at every aspect of the game. Of course every other character has a hard time against him.
Right I hate how people comparing them to geras, sonya, and erron black lol.
 
Alright I think it's clear at this point that our boi Nob Saibot isn't very good, it would be a very serious overstatement to even call him viable.

Character has no 50/50s, below average zoning and below average space control. Practically nothing. He doesn't even have any BF1 set ups for the seeing ass variation. NRS please help this joke of a character!
To me Noob Saibot is a very good characters to use and i find him enjoyable to play with