Dankster Morgan
It is better this way
Absolutely no armor. Ex parry is the closest thing but not really.
Absolutely no armor. Ex parry is the closest thing but not really.
Nah nobody is really complaining about Cage other than M2Dave and he has an agenda against Cage from early on, I wouldn't worry about Cage being nerfed.
My worst fear is that A-List gets raped and Tanya stays fine because of this rediculous downplaying. But I don't think he will be touched, that being said NRS has done some crazy shit that nobody would imagine.
Neither does Summoner Quan though. I'm not saying he's as good as Summoner, I just want to know what makes him worse.
He doesn't have a sixteenth of the ways to open people up as summoner Quan. No crazy zoning, not retartedly good mixups, no vortex, no hard to block ables, just outclassed.
I also fear he will get some kind of unwarranted nerf. Fisticuffs got destroyed just because people complained a lot about speedbag, when the problem was nrs didn't gave enough time for people to get used to defend against it. It deserved an adjustment, but not that severe nerf. Lots of stuff much more powerful than that string are still untouched in the game.
He's good but not S good. Not Kung Lao good. Not Quan Chi good. Most kotals opt for the defensive totem over the damaged buff. He just can't open people up as well as other chracters.
I'm curious as to why this isn't a viable option.
Every one of those "options" are punishable that why it isn't viable and Tanya's recovery on regular teleport is ass so you still get punished, doing backdash or wake up grab is acceptable but like i said there's more than one way of baiting her wake up. No we aren't saying anything about her holes being unfair but the stagger thing doesn't work as well as everyone makes it out to. the this it nothing about her is fullproof, there's a option for just about everything she does and then she doesn't have any counter for it. i'm not ragging on you for having a different opinion then me, i'm ragging on you for saying shit that's no where near accurate, and if you looks at it i came in here stating my opinion and got shit on for it but i'm not bitching about it am? again i'm not saying Tanya is bad all i am saying is she isn't S tier or top 5.
What 5 characters are better than tanya?
Quan Chi, Kung Lou, Predator, Cassie Cage, D'Vorah, and i can go further if you want.
Please do. Lao and Quan yeah, but there's no way Predator or D'Vorah is better than Tanya, I guess you could argue Cassie.
Jack explained everything perfectly and we actually did justify evey statement we made lol for every statement we made there was an explanation. What were saying is fact like ive said you can do this cool thing called training mode and test out everything were saying so you can actually open your eyes and stop taking the salty ass peoples word that shes top 3...do u no people argue shes better than summoner? thats how dumb you sound
swarm queen actually has pressure you have to respect whereas theres a simple answer to everything tanya does and has no trouble getting in, in comparison to tanya. Cassie has a 6 frame reversal and is safe with mb a meterless vortex /restand and safe 50/50s and solid damage and has the one of the best if not the best anti airs in the game you cannot argue that tanya is better than cassie because she has none of that except decent damage
Predator idk i have't played as him or really against him either. D'Vorah yes SQ is definitely better than Kobu Jutsu... D'Vorah does't struggle to get in much at all, if done right you have to respect her options, and doesn't use meter at all the only flip side is her armor is ass. while Tanya does struggle to get in, and you can counter EVERYTHING she does, and she half way functions with meter and the flip side is you do have some of the best armor in the game. Sub-Zero is better than her, and i would say Shinnok, Tremor and Jax are about even with her.
Hollywood cassie gets nothing guarnteed unless she does ex nutpunch, she is the most stamina hungry character in the game, her anti airs are nothing compared to temp lao. Everytime tanya leaves the ground the opponent has to guess between OH/low, everytime she gets knocked down she has acess to the godlike ex rekka, and 50/50 wakeup all of which is armored, insane chip, insane meter building. D'Vorah has terrible armor, and an 8 frame poke, so needless to say she has nowhere near the defensive options of tanya.
Refer to the post above on my options of D'Vorah, Sub-Zero is absolutely not better than tanya whatsoever, ditto for Tremor. Jax... Eh I guess you could make a case. I don't see how tanya struggle getting in. B1, boom you have pressure initiated, and several options afterwards. Shinnok is quite possibly the most overrated character in the game. Also, what matchups are really bad for tanya? All of then characters you mentioned have bad matchups, who does tanya really lose to?
you clearly have NO IDEA whatsoever of what your talking about. Cassie gets a restand that you cant armor out of or poke out of when you land a normal nut punch high enough in a juggle...please dont say anything about things you dont know about and maybe lao has better anti airs but cassie has some of the bests too. Dvorahs only weakness is her armor and her poke is 7 frames. And again anyone using her overhead low wake-ups is no one to use as a basis as a good player because they are high risk low reward, if you block either lets say a dvorah blocks either, youre eating a full 40% combo whereas even if you get hit lets say by the drill youre getting 28% off that so no anyone saying her 50\50 wakeups are a good or viable option is shitting themselves her mb tonfas is her only good option tho you still cant do much with it because there is a simple counter for all of her "Pressure" options . On hit you can back dash out of her tonfa swipes. On block u can low profile her mb tonfa toss or you can backdash out of it after it returns which is completely ridiculous. Her teleport cancel pressure does not exist anymore because you can poke or armor out of them. AND there is an option select to make it that if tanya makes any hole in her tonfa swipes on block your armor will expose it and if she doesnt make a hole youll be blocking so please tell me how she has any true options except threatening a mb tonfa which again even on hit she cant do much with for the reasons i just said and again you can test everything im saying
I have no agenda. I just play King Jr.'s and Master D.'s Cage while you fools play scrubs.
Yes, cassie does get a restand but it's not plus enough to guarntee another free 50/50 hence the fact that she doesn't have a METERLESS a vortex. And your your right tanya has been doing horrible lately, no Tanyas in the latest ESL top 8, MIT and Dragon aren't totally badass with tanya. I mean yeah she's not perfect but there's no fucking way she is lower than around top 5-7 and is better than most characters ever have a chance of being yet some of you guys feel the need to complain about her flaws when the majority of the cast has the same or far worse flaws. How many Ermac players complain as much as tanya players do?
and saying her air 50/50s are good again proves youre a retard. Are you really going to try to argue that risking a 30-40 % punish is a good chance to take for a what? 8 % overhead or low which is highly punishable which gives you little to no hit advantage ? Stop argueing about shit you dont know you sound retarded
It's -3 on hit lol