His teleport isn't safe.
Scorpion has a lot of lop-sided MU's...more than you may think. Sonya, Cage, Sektor, Kabal, Raiden are all at least 3-7. Scorpion loses when he can't throw out hellfire or spear 'comfortably' or when he gets rushed down.I think scorpion should be higher than sub zero (possibly switch positions).
Sub struggles horribly in way more match-ups than Scorp IMO
Also how is Quan Chi not at least C tier?
Other than that it looks pretty accurate to me.
WOW! Actually, this sums it up pretty perfectly... And I guess that by "2 bars, breaker killing" you mean 1 bar to take your meter(and breaker) and one for the enhanced bomb, right? Cause draining meter makes him even lamer.80%, 1 bar, practical.
2 bars, BREAKER-KILLING AND PRACTICAL.
Countless different variations.
Countless different setups.
Answers for almost everything.
+5 334 and +...11 i think it was for F2?
Command Grab.
All together. In one robot.
And a human variation that trades small bits of damage for 121 Saw and a SAFE TELEPORT.
And it doesn't make him #3?
After winning EVO, perhaps #2?
Cyrax.
I think he means unbreakable damage that nearly kills you for 2 barsWOW! Actually, this sums it up pretty perfectly... And I guess that by "2 bars, breaker killing" you mean 1 bar to take your meter(and breaker) and one for the enhanced bomb, right? Cause draining meter makes him even lamer.
Dont you think that Sub has at least as many 3-7s as Scorp though? I would imagine that Kabal has to be a 3-7 for sub. By the time sub slowly works his way in on Kabal's zoning and finally gets a touch on him, he will undoubtedly have breaker and even if he gets a second touch, sub doesnt do any freaking damage. At least scorp can force kabal to be careful about abusing IAGB because of teleport and when he finally touches him he at least has a chance of doing some damage with his Vortex. And what does Sub do against Kenshi or Freddy, those easily have to be 3-7 or even worse. Also Kitana is probably a 3-7 for sub as well.Scorpion has a lot of lop-sided MU's...more than you may think. Sonya, Cage, Sektor, Kabal, Raiden are all at least 3-7. Scorpion loses when he can't throw out hellfire or spear 'comfortably' or when he gets rushed down.
Sub Zero loses to heavy zoning primarily. I think he has tools to deal with other stuff.
There is no safe teleport in MK9. Human Cyrax has a better/safer teleport than Robot Cyrax but it's still not as good as Raiden's teleport and of course it's far from safe.Human Cyrax has a safe teleport. That's what he was getting at.
There is no safe teleport in MK9. Human Cyrax has a better/safer teleport than Robot Cyrax but it's still not as good as Raiden's teleport and of course it's far from safe.
You make some good points. Sub Zero loses 3-7 or worse to Kabal, Kenshi and Freddy. Kitana I don't think is as bad but it is probably a 4-6. Sub Zero definitely has it tough but I think he's overall a better character tool wise. Scorpion is very hit and miss as you pointed out with the vortex. Sub Zero's damage isn't great as you also correctly stated.Dont you think that Sub has at least as many 3-7s as Scorp though? I would imagine that Kabal has to be a 3-7 for sub. By the time sub slowly works his way in on Kabal's zoning and finally gets a touch on him, he will undoubtedly have breaker and even if he gets a second touch, sub doesnt do any freaking damage. At least scorp can force kabal to be careful about abusing IAGB because of teleport and when he finally touches him he at least has a chance of doing some damage with his Vortex. And what does Sub do against Kenshi or Freddy, those easily have to be 3-7 or even worse. Also Kitana is probably a 3-7 for sub as well.
Im not arguing with you really, im just saying that it seems like Scorp at least CAN potentially do some damage where as subs just does none. And the argument that Scorp has several 3-7s is not really that valid because Sub has several that may even be worse than that. The way Tom played sub at the end of the games life is a testament to that (basically trying to get a minimal life lead on a good read and then go for a time out which is VERY difficult given the tools that many of his bad matchup characters have). Even if Scorp should not be higher I think that sub should be lower. They both have several awful matchups but again, at least scorp has potential to do some damage once he gets a touch (granted the risk is ridiculously high for Scorp as well)
Oh you are right i forgot about Raiden's EX teleport. Yeah that's safe.Raiden's EX teleport is unpunishable I believe unless you make a read on it, which is damn near impossible. I'm almost positive that after a Human Cyrax teleports he can block.
EDIT: Just checked. Human Cyrax is behind the opponent for 24 frames and is invincible for 22 frames, so I suppose if you make a read on it you can punish it, but hitting inside a 2 frame window is pretty unlikely.
I think him and kabal are interchangeable for top spotAK Pig Of The Hut
and how "braindead" (which he isn't by the way) disqualifies him from being top tier? Coz everybody knows Kenshi is top tier in MK9, well maybe except you.
I think him and kabal are interchangeable for top spot
Nope, coz he was good from the get go.Pig downplaying Kenshi by saying he's #2 kappa. But srsly, did anyone ever downplay this character?
WOW! Actually, this sums it up pretty perfectly... And I guess that by "2 bars, breaker killing" you mean 1 bar to take your meter(and breaker) and one for the enhanced bomb, right? Cause draining meter makes him even lamer.
It's time to get yellow.I think he means unbreakable damage that nearly kills you for 2 bars
Nope, coz he was good from the get go.
Thats a different story. Some things about Kabal were discovered pretty late in the game (take first EVO as example how many Kabals in top 8?), so he was downplayed. Kenshi on the other hand was quite fast (in relation) recognized as top 2-3 (Thanks to Pig obviously ).So was Kabal, but he had his fair share of downplayers.