General/Other - Mileena Mileena's True Tier Placement

[Sultani]

Like Shinnok's d4 hell sparks, right? That's totally wasteful.

It's not a bad play. It provides you with the further mind game when you may predict your poke will be blocked and your opponent will try to counter. And that's definitely a useful tool for a character who doesn't have safe pressure and safe 50/50s.

"In most cases." Not all cases.

Kitana be like omg where's D1 cutter.

 

[MsMiharo]

I clarified below I'm talking about piercing.
6. Really? I would swear it's punishable.
7. I'm pretty sure every Mileena player will miss a roll hitcofirm after b12. But you are the guy who can block 15 frames overheads on reaction so I suppose is not a problem for you.



So you never cancel your poke with Kano?

It happens but d4 hs jails

 

[THTB]

Mileena is very good I put her no worse than top ten but I don't know. When you think about it, Mileena doesn't have ANYTHING that is "broken". I guess her EX fade would be considered something insanely good for just a one bar special move but still, I think Mileena is more of a character that has just about any tool you can ask for in a character and is extremely versatile. She can handle any situation and that's what makes her insanely good.

The thing is some of the other top five contenders have things that many would consider broken or extremely ridiculous like Johnny Cage, Alien, Sonya, Cyrax, etc.

I think a top Alien could give Mileena trouble. The anti-footsies play style with unreactable half screen 50/50s could mean trouble for the evil sister.

That's why I'm content with Mileena being as this good. She's built to be good by way of good tools, not fucked up savagery. If she is #1, it'd be a testament to how the game plays now. And honestly it's a great change of pace compared to before.

 

[Yoaks]

Canceling a poke is good if your character can mix you up or put themselves at frame advantage.

Subzero: d4 > clone
Possessed Kenshi: any poke > Demon Slam or Demon Slice
Erron Black: d1 > Command Grab or Ex Sand Grenade
Scorpion: d4 > Hellfire
Predator: d4 > Low Plasma
etc.

Piercing Mileena you shouldn't really be canceling your pokes. Ethereal or Ravenous on the other hand can benefit from it.

 

[Juxtapose]

Kitana be like omg where's D1 cutter.

As a Kitana player as well, I still do D1 Cutter on occasion...

 

[JerzeyReign]

I see this thread is still thriving but most of the Mileena community already came to terms that with use of all three variations she could cover all matchups - months ago. The buffs just made her a more complete character. To us Mileena mains, yes, we feel she's probably top tier right now because we love her and believe the buffs were the missing links to pushing her over the top without breaking her. To others, she's not quite there yet (or still trash) but hopefully they understand that a competent Mileena doesn't have to switch through variations to cover a MU now, most can be covered by one or two of them. We've always had a high opinion of Mileena. She's not going to just push you onto the stage of EVO, you still need to possess the skills to win with her and those who have those sound fundamental skills will probably push her to that summit.

 

[TakeAChance]

It's the fact that she does still require "self made" mixups in order to push the neutral that makes me think she isn't #1.

Like, she still requires condtioning, reads, and reactions. Her 50/50 game requires meter and she WILL get punished on an over commitment.

Definitely high tier now, no question but I think #1 is still a stretch when you have characters that can literally loop you to death right now.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Use the correct term: PIERCING doesn't have....
6. ex low sai is safe
7. that's your problem, not hers

EX low sai is not safe, EX standing sai is safe if they block the two hits but you can duck the second hit and punish.

 

[ZeroEffect]

To others, she's not quite there yet (or still trash)

Now I'm really curious who is saying she's still trash at this point

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Just can't help but keep remembering how hard everyone crucified us all got when we proposed the question of "Is Mileena better than everyone makes her out to be?"

Times change pretty fast.

 

[ZeroEffect]

Just can't help but keep remembering how hard everyone crucified us all got when we proposed the question of "Is Mileena better than everyone makes her out to be?"

Times change pretty fast.

I mean, there was a patch so... that kind of changes things.

 

[1man3letters]

Just can't help but keep remembering how hard everyone crucified us all got when we proposed the question of "Is Mileena better than everyone makes her out to be?"

Times change pretty fast.

to be fair character is pretty different since you said that.
6 frame d1, 8 frame d3, better air and ground sais, b1 saver on block b12 "nerf", pounces buffs.
pretty different

also changes to the other chars change things up aswell

 

[TakeAChance]

Just can't help but keep remembering how hard everyone crucified us all got when we proposed the question of "Is Mileena better than everyone makes her out to be?"

Times change pretty fast.

If this character is debatable top 10 now, old pre patch Mileena certainly wasn't in contention.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

I mean, there was a patch so... that kind of changes things.

The only reason she's been been buffed into the sheer ridiculousness she is now is because you all desperately preached for buffs until the cows came home.

What seemed to have been a few "quality of life" changes by speeding up her pokes is why we have the Mileena we have now. What was already pretty damn strong was put overboard because of the changes she received.

The fact you think it is 100% the buffs that mean shes good now shows just how much people still refused to believe that she was decent. She was good before, now shes super insanely good.

 

[ZeroEffect]

The only reason she's been been buffed into the sheer ridiculousness she is now is because you all desperately preached for buffs until the cows came home.

What seemed to have been a few "quality of life" changes by speeding up her pokes is why we have the Mileena we have now. What was already pretty damn strong was put overboard because of the changes she received.

The fact you think it is 100% the buffs that mean shes good now shows just how much people still refused to believe that she was decent. She was good before, now shes super insanely good.

I think it's a combination of her buffs, AND nerfs to other characters that moved her up. It'd be like Quan Chi players saying "we told you he wasn't that good" based on how he is now.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

I think it's a combination of her buffs, AND nerfs to other characters that moved her up. It'd be like Quan Chi players saying "we told you he wasn't that good" based on how he is now.

That isn't even close to being a comparison.

Quan is still super good.

 

[ZeroEffect]

That isn't even close to being a comparison.

Quan is still super good.

And I didn't say he was bad, but he's not what he was before.

I'm just saying you can't act like everyone has "seen the light" on Mileena and ignore the fact that this patch has changed a lot of things. Pre XL Mileena was not top tier. This Mileena might be.

 

[xWildx]

I mean, there was a patch so... that kind of changes things.

Remember, people acted like Kitana didn't get buffed for a good few months, too. People hate the sisters.

 

[ZeroEffect]

Remember, people acted like Kitana didn't get buffed for a good few months, too. People hate the sisters.

Lol, maybe that's it.

 

[1man3letters]

The fact you think it is 100% the buffs that mean shes good now shows just how much people still refused to believe that she was decent. She was good before, now shes super insanely good.

that's what we are saying.
(just not as good as you guys were trying to make out)

kinda be like me saying tanya isnt that good before the patch and after the patch saying see told you tanya wasnt that good, why were people blowing me up for saying tanya wasnt that good

the increased pokes were buffs that happened to characters near across the board, people asked for it because yolo roll used to be only answer to alot of things because of her frames, either the d1 or d3 would of done,both was kinda nuts. no one really asked for the zoning buffs besides the odd comment of wouldnt it be nice if we could combo off air sai, personally i was AMAZAED they got past the beta, i thought it we were playing a old build or something haha other things like the sai hitbox changes were fixes more than buffs and ravenous was a p.o.s so something was needed to help that along aswell.

 

[TakeAChance]

I wish I didn't play Mileena since launch so I could come in and say I TOLD YOU PIERCING WAS THE BEST VARIATION!

(On launch she had no options other than yolo roll to get out of pressure in ANY variation)
(Her B12 was negative a fuck ton on launch)
(She couldn't combo off air sais)
(Her F12 whiffed on a third of the cast)
(her low sai was +1 or 2 on hit granting no follow up options other than yolo roll)
(Her telekick was NEGATIVE on hit)
(her fastest poke was 9f and it also had a wonky hitbox)
(Ethereal had no use at all, ex fades were not able to combo)
(Ravenous at one point was considered her best. Think about that)



Those are the major issues this character at one point had. Can you really blame anyone in the Mileena community for asking for buffs?
She was a shitter at launch and has slowly been creeping up due to FIXES and polishing. The fact that the higher tiers got knocked down a peg
and how fundamental orientated the character is, it's no surprise to see her rise. She is really really good right now, but don't think that Foxy isn't also a big reason why she looks so god damn good. He could make a turd look like gold.

 

[IrishMantis]

Cancelling with SD pokes works for me super plus if it hits, super plus if they block or even launches depending on what I do

It's a counter to good players as good players know that after a poke it's their turn

But some are are really dumb like Laos D4 Hat (I guess it's okay every now and again)

 

[Tweedy]

Mileena's over-buffing just proves that the Mileena community is easily the worst on TYM.

 

[SylverRye]

https://twitter.com/MK_REO/status/698266328940081152


Btw, Mileena is the only character in the game that can 100% safely escape the most messed up setplay and 50/50 hard to blockable situations including Cyrax hard to blockable vortex, CSZ corner blender, etc. etc. with just one bar. I don't know if I'd say Ethereal isn't worth learning for at least a few match ups.


When is someone going to make a thread saying Johnny Cage is top five, though?

I don't know if I'd call Mileena the best just yet with some of the DLC but all I know is Alien, Johnny Cage, Sonya are REALLY messed up (like pre patch top tiers level of savagery) and almost no one is talking about them.

Cage community will NEVER admit hes top 5 just like mileena community was still saying shes mid tier up until saltface. Foxy has really been putting in time with the character but man, i still want to see his lao. But yeah lol

 

[Goat-City]

Mileena's over-buffing just proves that the Mileena community is easily the worst on TYM.

I don't see how she was over buffed. The only thing too good about her I'd say is b12, but that's always been too good. It should be a high.