Harry Otter
Zoning Master
She's top tier but not No. 1. I back that up because I just hate her. =D
We were talking about September onwards. Not launch.I wish I didn't play Mileena since launch so I could come in and say I TOLD YOU PIERCING WAS THE BEST VARIATION!
(On launch she had no options other than yolo roll to get out of pressure in ANY variation)
(Her B12 was negative a fuck ton on launch)
(She couldn't combo off air sais)
(Her F12 whiffed on a third of the cast)
(her low sai was +1 or 2 on hit granting no follow up options other than yolo roll)
(Her telekick was NEGATIVE on hit)
(her fastest poke was 9f and it also had a wonky hitbox)
(Ethereal had no use at all, ex fades were not able to combo)
(Ravenous at one point was considered her best. Think about that)
Those are the major issues this character at one point had. Can you really blame anyone in the Mileena community for asking for buffs?
She was a shitter at launch and has slowly been creeping up due to FIXES and polishing. The fact that the higher tiers got knocked down a peg
and how fundamental orientated the character is, it's no surprise to see her rise. She is really really good right now, but don't think that Foxy isn't also a big reason why she looks so god damn good. He could make a turd look like gold.
Not sure I'd consider EX Low sai safe if there's still a reactable gap. Sure, people aren't currently using it, but it's there isn't it?Use the correct term: PIERCING doesn't have....
6. ex low sai is safe
7. that's your problem, not hers
I think in September, the consensus of the Mileena community (with a few exceptions) was:We were talking about September onwards. Not launch.
Granted, but even from September until the recent patch...We were talking about September onwards. Not launch.
At no point did we ever say pre patch Mileena was the best in the game, we merely suggested the question of "Is Mileena better than people say she is if you just play her differently".Granted, but even from September until the recent patch...
She Had:
No poke faster than 9f
Low Sai's were +1/2 on hit giving no guaranteed pressure options except yolo roll
Horrible recovery on instant air sais to the point that they were barely useable.
f12 whiffing on a third of the cast in piercing
B12 was +2 (this was nerfed)
She wasn't bad, but if they didn't buff her pokes along with most of the cast where would she be now?
They nerfed the meter gain in the game, so they gave her better tools to build meter. (The sais)
I think you are one of the smartest players in this game and I don't want to go toe to toe with you in game knowledge because lbsh, it's a no contest, but I think it's silly to say that the version of Mileena before this patch and the one after should be even remotely comparable.
Was pre patch mileena good? Yes. Was she considered the best in the game at any point? Fuck no.
We are now looking at two entirely different sexy pink vixens.
I appologize, that was not my intention, but when you come in here with a snide remark about how you asked that question BEFORE the patch and imply it somehow holds relevance now it just doesn't sit right.At no point did we ever say pre patch Mileena was the best in the game, we merely suggested the question of "Is Mileena better than people say she is if you just play her differently".
If people want to put words in my mouth they can, it's whatever.
You have no freaking clue about this character. B12 isn't whats too good about her and making it a high wouldn't be a massive difference, it can already be low profiled by a lot of stuff. Not a true mid like Cage F3 or Kotal B1. It's the fact that she has a complete tool set and doesn't lose super hard to anyone in any situation.I don't see how she was over buffed. The only thing too good about her I'd say is b12, but that's always been too good. It should be a high.
Not to put Foxy on a pedestal, I don't like doing that with any player. But Foxy was saying the same stuff about Mileena he's saying now, it just so happens that the only footage of him using her is post patch.I appologize, that was not my intention, but when you come in here with a snide remark about how you asked that question BEFORE the patch and imply it somehow holds relevance now it just doesn't sit right.
The point I was trying to make with the best in the game remark was not that you guys said it, but that she is being questioned in that position now, where as before she was no where close to earning that sort of consideration. This further bolsters my point that we are talking about two very different characters now and it's simply unfair to imply that the Mileena community was using a character that could remotely hold a candle to the one we have now.
Do you play Jason? If so, you just bodied me on rank haha. Running into a good Jason is rare and that shit caught me off guard.She's top tier but not No. 1. I back that up because I just hate her. =D
Don't you fucking dare compare the milenna community to the sub zero communityMileena's over-buffing just proves that the Mileena community is easily the worst on TYM.
Don't you fucking dare compare the milenna community to the johnny cage community
Isn't it better for a character to be well-rounded than ridiculously overpowered?You have no freaking clue about this character. B12 isn't whats too good about her and making it a high wouldn't be a massive difference, it can already be low profiled by a lot of stuff. Not a true mid like Cage F3 or Kotal B1. It's the fact that she has a complete tool set and doesn't lose super hard to anyone in any situation.
That wasn't my point but yeah I agree.Isn't it better for a character to be well-rounded than ridiculously overpowered?
I didn't claim to dankster, relax. I know making b12 a high wouldn't make a massive difference, because I don't think she needs any massive nerfs. Make it a high, and after just watching Tom Brady's new video on b12, they might need to give b1 some more recovery frames, but that's about it. Why should she lose in any match ups? Ideally every variation should go 5-5 with any other variation. I'm just saying I haven't seen anything that would justify nerfing her beyond making b12 a tad less brain dead. I played foxy's mileena myself with Sorcerer Quan in the beta, and even though I got bodied 10-1, from my observations in the matches I didn't feel like she was too good at all aside from b12. I was learning as I played him and I could tell if I was more prepared for the match up I would've done a lot better.You have no freaking clue about this character. B12 isn't whats too good about her and making it a high wouldn't be a massive difference, it can already be low profiled by a lot of stuff. Not a true mid like Cage F3 or Kotal B1. It's the fact that she has a complete tool set and doesn't lose super hard to anyone in any situation.
Recovery frames might do the trick.. Not super sure yet.I didn't claim to dankster, relax. I know making b12 a high wouldn't make a massive difference, because I don't think she needs any massive nerfs. Make it a high, and after just watching Tom Brady's new video on b12, they might need to give b1 some more recovery frames, but that's about it. Why should she lose in any match ups? Ideally every variation should go 5-5 with any other variation. I'm just saying I haven't seen anything that would justify nerfing her beyond making b12 a tad less brain dead. I played foxy's mileena myself with Sorcerer Quan in the beta, and even though I got bodied 10-1, from my observations in the matches I didn't feel like she was too good at all aside from b12. I was learning as I played him and I could tell if I was more prepared for the match up I would've done a lot better.
Absolutely I do, and like you, I don't mean to sing all praises of foxy lol, but he is also one of the best MK players in the world.Not to put Foxy on a pedestal, I don't like doing that with any player. But Foxy was saying the same stuff about Mileena he's saying now, it just so happens that the only footage of him using her is post patch.
Do you not think maybe he was on to something beforehand?
Making B1 a high would ruin piercing, she'd have nothing to respect, and nothing to get people off of her. Please actually research your shit rather than just listening to one video that looks in 1 dimension about something that you shouldnt be doing against her anyway.I didn't claim to dankster, relax. I know making b12 a high wouldn't make a massive difference, because I don't think she needs any massive nerfs. Make it a high, and after just watching Tom Brady's new video on b12, they might need to give b1 some more recovery frames, but that's about it. Why should she lose in any match ups? Ideally every variation should go 5-5 with any other variation. I'm just saying I haven't seen anything that would justify nerfing her beyond making b12 a tad less brain dead. I played foxy's mileena myself with Sorcerer Quan in the beta, and even though I got bodied 10-1, from my observations in the matches I didn't feel like she was too good at all aside from b12. I was learning as I played him and I could tell if I was more prepared for the match up I would've done a lot better.
If I was going to try to make a serious argument that b1 should have more recovery frames then I would research my shit, but I'm just saying MAYBE it should have some more recovery frames. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything in this case because I know I'm no expert, I'm just sharing my impressions.Making B1 a high would ruin piercing, she'd have nothing to respect, and nothing to get people off of her. Please actually research your shit rather than just listening to one video that looks in 1 dimension about something that you shouldnt be doing against her anyway.
Her pokes are so short ranged you use them in a street fighter sort of fashion opposed to expecting them to reach the opponent.If I was going to try to make a serious argument that b1 should have more recovery frames then I would research my shit, but I'm just saying MAYBE it should have some more recovery frames. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything in this case because I know I'm no expert, I'm just sharing my impressions.
How would she have nothing to respect? All characters have to respect each other's pokes, and if they disrespect your advantage then you can poke them out of their offense, then jail any of her highs including b1 if it was a high.
You know she always garners hate for no real reason at all brehNow I'm really curious who is saying she's still trash at this point
Who thought those were quality of life changes? Pretty sure mileena mains were freaking elated when we saw those patch notes.The only reason she's been been buffed into the sheer ridiculousness she is now is because you all desperately preached for buffs until the cows came home.
What seemed to have been a few "quality of life" changes by speeding up her pokes is why we have the Mileena we have now. What was already pretty damn strong was put overboard because of the changes she received.
The fact you think it is 100% the buffs that mean shes good now shows just how much people still refused to believe that she was decent. She was good before, now shes super insanely good.