No matter how compressed the tiers are, there will always be a whole mess of characters that will draw short on tournament viability. Somebody out there is going to have to deal with and be ok with the idea that their chosen character is just mid tier but fun to play. Plus her being tournament viable would nothing for a lot of us who aren't tournament viable players to begin with. I know everyone wants their character to be at the top, but that's not how it works. Not unless you nuke diversity and just make all the characters the same, which would be lame. So, yea, I don't need her specifically to be viable, not if it means a lack of character diversity or that she gets weird alterations that turn her into something else I don't enjoy playing.
Bane gets armor from his trait plus Unblockable grabs when he is in.
I m not tournament player and have very little interest in it but it is good measure of tiers. If she was viable as some are claiming then she would have made top 16 at viennality. There was only one guy at evo in top 50 who played WoWo and he lost.
You can hate her design from a lore standpoint, that is the way it is and that design is not changing regardless because that is what NRS wanted. But your definition of viability cannot be exclusively compared to tournament placings especially when representation plays a part.
Batman loses to Deadshot & Harley. Those were his bad matchups. More characters will be added now since patch. Already being discussed
Boring is wildly subjective. I think Batman is boring but a bajillon other people seem to disagree. I do happen to like WoWo in this game, as is, more than any of the others. I kind of don't want you to get want because it would ruin it for me.
I think that's a completely valid criticism.
Bane's charge can be blown up by a meter burn wall bounce on reaction. His grabs can be neutral jumped.
There you go. You admit you're not a tournament player yet you criticize the viability of the character in a tournament setting. Your logic is "if x character doesn't make top 8 or top 16, he or she is not viable." By the time the tournament dwindles down to 16 people, it's the better player that wins. If I sat down with a better player using WW and beats me while I am using prepatch black Adam or aquaman, WW didn't beat me because that person could've used swamp thing or whoever else and still win. Just like sonicfox beating everyone with captain cold. He's just leagues better than everyone else at this point of the game.
It doesn't avoid projectiles. You're better off jumping and creeping if you want to do that. Any projectile it "avoids" is only by happenstance. Don't believe me? Try cartwheeling to avoid WoWo's projectiles. See how "viable" that is. Oh, and btw, Canary vs WoWo is a hard 4-6 in WoWo's favor. Why? Because may have "advancing normals" but her reach is still quite short in neutral/mid-range where she gets absolutely ANNIHILATED by a patient WoWo.
That sounds like a fairly narrow definition, as if the only way to play is full screen chip/zoning or rushdown.
This is the biggest problem I have/had with WoWo. I used her as my secondary to Hawkgirl and she was a blast to play. She could give it to you anyway she wanted. Rushdown. Keep away. Chip damage. Space control. Air superiority. Combos for days. Her shield stance was good, but her whip style was just so overwhelming it was like, "why go to shield?" And she hit hard too. And her corner game was vicious. And her wakeup game was versatile.
Yeah bro I'm not even gonna lie. That kind of made me cringe a little bit. I didn't really want to post about it because I didn't want to come off as a dick, but this just isn't good to do. Everyone here including the competitive players are casual too. Most people tend to forget that too.
I'm actually ok with the random trait. The "random" part isn't ideal, but on the other hand all 5 buffs are decent if the WW player knows how to use them, they stay active for a long time, there's a super short cooldown, and now it should be easier to safely combo into Trait, meaning with smart play a WW player should be able to walk around with some type of buff most of the match.
I mean for me, the real only grudge that I have with her trait being the way that it is now is that her air dashing is a part of it. If she had air dash as a part of her normal movement, her trait would actually be great the way that it is. It's cool that she got the buff with the 5 traits, but it may not be the trait buff that you're looking for during a match given the situation.
No he doesn't Foreverking mopped Biohazards Harley at Viennality just one week ago and he wasn't changed at all in the patch. Damage scaling barely made any difference to his combos. His MB batarags were just reduced from +25 or 24 to +19 or +18 BIG DEAL HE IS STILL PLUS AS HELL. No MU are changing at all.
He's a good player who actually takes time to adapt when he's playing Batman before he counterpicks & not just outright switch. He also said this stuff himself lol. I even discussed a few match ups with him lol. Not going to say anything else because this isn't a Batman thread. Here you go. His match up chart.
unless you have them cornered you're too far away for an air dash cross up. And I don't see it being too strong when several other characters have great knockdowns much closer with air dash as well.
Instant air it.. and youll be over them enough to cross up, also doesn't work on all the tiny female characters.
If not being in top 16 means a character deserves being complained about in forum then there must be a whole lot of complaining going on in a bunch of the character forums.