TackyHaddock
Salty Mashers Krew
23? are you referring to 24?
23? are you referring to 24?
The chakram doesn't usually jail on return from the f24 (oh) string, however it is pretty range dependent. If you do f24 at further ranges it shouldn't have the gap on return. But yeah b12 xx ex chakram should always have a gap because of how advancing the 2 is.
Yeah those points all make sense. I may just need to find ways to adjust my playstyle to be less predictable and have more success with F2 in particular, as well as ex cartwheel. F2 is an iffy tool when it comes to oki because it can be interrupted by so many different moves given the amount of startup that it has - I may just need to use it more after a j1 or j2 rather than as a starter by itself.
Yeah idk why I said 3. Shows I never use that booboo move
There are more tools to use for opening people up other than his standard low/oh's anyway. + frames off late NJP is a good example that I've started using more recently. After his NJP at the latest point you can actually jail a d4, meaning it must be at least +9, though I'm sure someone has tested and knows if it's more. I often open people up for not respecting options after late njps. Personally I also like to throw a lot with Jin. s1 throw, throws off any kind of + frames and more. Just because of how run up b1 is near guaranteed after it. It will only be avoided by backdashes or armor.
I agree that having 24 be a popup for meterless damage, the string is fairly useless as is
that's interesting about the late NJP, I will have to look into it further. In general I have been trying to use NJP less, because I tend to overuse it in the neutral and other situations when certain characters can punish it hard (but this is just the standard NJP, not really focusing on executing it late).
I think it is pretty stupid with Jin honestly, despite how it whiffs with air to airs. It covers so much range, and once he is in the air it is kind of hard to do anything but block with the threat of him letting it go at any point. Then you will end up blocking a late njp and are -9 or potentially -11. Though some characters deal with it a bit better, like Reptile and Lao have armor that can deal with it as soon they see you jumping straight up.
don't they call it a disjointed hitbox or something like that? I think both J1 and J2 are solid moves and have their respective uses
shhhhh don't talk about Jin's jump attacks, if no-one mentions them they will survive the next patch!
Too late. DJT and REO are already asking for a nerf to Jin's j1 and j2. lol
Someone must silence those heathens
I blame Slayer.Someone must silence those heathens
Reo plays Predator,and he wants kj to get nerfed in his air attacks?
you know it is our best anti-cross up right?
do you mean s2 in general or that full string
it depends on the char,Kj's NJP on it's way up is -16 on it's way down is +9.
Good NJP's are incredibly hard to contest, so the fear of getting hit by a Quan, Raiden, or even a Kung Lao NJP, is going to stop you from contesting it before it becomes plus. For this reason, how minus they are on the way up is completely irrelevant imo.
no,s2 is his best anti cross up.
i just mentioned the numbers,everything else is up to you.
have you been messing with shaolin?