General/Other - Johnny Cage Johnny Cage General Discussion Thread

[Smoking-Baylight]

The Worst is the EX Forceball which whiffs against almost the half of the roster while they block low. This is just cancer...

 

[IrishMantis]

Yeah 11 whiffs vs half the cast

Okay I'm exaggerating but it's a big deal when it does

 

[Saltea Mike]

Yeah 11 whiffs vs half the cast

Okay I'm exaggerating but it's a big deal when it does

You're not exaggerating. 11 is a high/mid - how is it that high doesn't whiff and mid does? God damn.

Also

The Worst is the EX Forceball which whiffs against almost the half of the roster while they block low. This is just cancer...

THIS! I just refuse to use ex forceballs on block anymore unless it's a suprise ex forceballs that I'm thinking could connect on hit.

 

[ismael4790]

You're not exaggerating. 11 is a high/mid - how is it that high doesn't whiff and mid does? God damn.

Use fisticuffs and rejoice seeing how your speedbag mids randomly whiff, in patterns that depend on who you are facing. Glorious.

#CageKingofWhiffs

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

Not putting in the MU thread because I'm not 100% sure yet but MUs I think Cage loses

Cage loses to

Grandmaster
Peircing
Kitana (all variations)
Crystaline
Demo/Covert
Dragonsfire/Flamefist
Possessed
Dvorah (all variations)
Hellfire
Mystic
Smoke
Sektor

Feel free to disagree or ask why

Also losses to HQT - better than johnny boy in almost every way apart from a non advancing 13F mid

 

[Invincible Salads]

so anyone still playin mkx, how do i deal with A-list cage as summoner quan chi, it feels like i can't keep him out, and once he's in i can't do a damn thing other than watch him pressure and mix, wtf do i do?

 

[The_Tile]

so anyone still playin mkx, how do i deal with A-list cage as summoner quan chi, it feels like i can't keep him out, and once he's in i can't do a damn thing other than watch him pressure and mix, wtf do i do?

You have to bait SKs and duck and punish. That's very important otherwise he gets in for free.

Once you make him scared to SK you can zone him. As soon as he gets near F3 range though start playing footsie instead of zoning. Use B1 instead of B2 cause it's harder to whiff punish.

If you have bat out whenever he get into F3 range instead of playing footsies just use bat to go into your mix before he even gets a hand to do anything. Something like LT, J1xx50/50.

You wanna try and, what I call, aggressively zone in this MU. Move forward as you're zoning to push him into the corner and make sure to end every combo with max corner carry. This is a MU where you wanna keep him in the corner, his WU game isn't too great and you can kill him in a couple of combos.

 

[Invincible Salads]

You have to bait SKs and duck and punish. That's very important otherwise he gets in for free.

Once you make him scared to SK you can zone him. As soon as he gets near F3 range though start playing footsie instead of zoning. Use B1 instead of B2 cause it's harder to whiff punish.

If you have bat out whenever he get into F3 range instead of playing footsies just use bat to go into your mix before he even gets a hand to do anything. Something like LT, J1xx50/50.

You wanna try and, what I call, aggressively zone in this MU. Move forward as you're zoning to push him into the corner and make sure to end every combo with max corner carry. This is a MU where you wanna keep him in the corner, his WU game isn't too great and you can kill him in a couple of combos.

so at his f3 range if i have bat, send bat low and go for ji1? ok, my issue is once he gets me in his pressure i don't know how to get out, he can cancel in so many places, fuzzying his mix up isnt the easiest thing either because he can just do 11, d3/d4 instead of finishing the string or doing f2.

 

[The_Tile]

so at his f3 range if i have bat, send bat low and go for ji1? ok, my issue is once he gets me in his pressure i don't know how to get out, he can cancel in so many places, fuzzying his mix up isnt the easiest thing either because he can just do 11, d3/d4 instead of finishing the string or doing f2.

Yeah you just have to make thr right read for the most part. The most important thing is trying to stop him getting there in the first place.

What you can do is armor on a read though as you'll always have more meter than him, because you're the one throwing shit at full screen. You have to pick your places though as IIRC you can armor if he does 11, F23 and armor OS if he finishes with 113. This will get blown up by 11, 11 though.

This is just off the top off my head as I've not played the game for a while, go in the lab and see where you can armor though it should only take 5 minutes. His armor move was a bit underrated in the last version of the game, its actually pretty good for getting out of gaps but is still pretty ass on WU.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Yeah you just have to make thr right read for the most part. The most important thing is trying to stop him getting there in the first place.

What you can do is armor on a read though as you'll always have more meter than him, because you're the one throwing shit at full screen. You have to pick your places though as IIRC you can armor if he does 11, F23 and armor OS if he finishes with 113. This will get blown up by 11, 11 though.

This is just off the top off my head as I've not played the game for a while, go in the lab and see where you can armor though it should only take 5 minutes. His armor move was a bit underrated in the last version of the game, its actually pretty good for getting out of gaps but is still pretty ass on WU.

k, so you can armor between 113? or am i misreading here.

 

[The_Tile]

k, so you can armor between 113? or am i misreading here.

You're misreading, you can armor OS so if he does 11, F2 you'll armor but if he does 113 you won't.

That's defo legit but like I said test most of what I'm saying yourself cause my MU knowledge might be a bit shaky now. It's a shame you don't have Xbox so we could run some Quan on Quan, talking about MKX makes me miss it sadface

 

[Invincible Salads]

You're misreading, you can armor OS so if he does 11, F2 you'll armor but if he does 113 you won't.

That's defo legit but like I said test most of what I'm saying yourself cause my MU knowledge might be a bit shaky now. It's a shame you don't have Xbox so we could run some Quan on Quan, talking about MKX makes me miss it sadface

k, yeah, just thats a real small time frame to OS that, you gotta be quick on the trigger.

my quan lost to a cage in open cup as well, i didnt know how to tackle the MU, i'd eat f3's or f2's easy in footsies range, and damn near everytime i'd try to back dash away.