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Joshkazkab

I am the Protector of Russia's Skies!
I'm dead serious, when someone who knows johnny puts all his tools to work you feel pretty helpless, his tools beat out like 95% of the cast, so far the only characters that make me think "this is a booty match up" is cyber kano, gm sub(but that's only because clone is broke) and maybe raiden(Thunder God)
Yo, Fuck Thunder God Raiden.

It's definitely a match up you need to be 100% on point to not get demolished because everything he does leads into some insane bullshit.
 

EGP Awesomo

R.T.S.D
Yo, Fuck Thunder God Raiden.

It's definitely a match up you need to be 100% on point to not get demolished because everything he does leads into some insane bullshit.
ya man, I played @Chaosphere at nwm, and althought I won in tourney went super even(maybe even in his favor I dont remember) raiden does what he wants if you slip up on your pressure due to having a 5f starter (motherfucker gets to start pressure on you if he blocks your f24 for free)
 

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
ya man, I played @Chaosphere at nwm, and althought I won in tourney went super even(maybe even in his favor I dont remember) raiden does what he wants if you slip up on your pressure due to having a 5f starter (motherfucker gets to start pressure on you if he blocks your f24 for free)
It was in my favor, but either way im not sure what people are supposed to do about a 5 frame mid combo starter that's safe on block.

However, I don't seem to have an answer for johnny's absurd d4 as even if I block it from a certain distance I'm not in range for f1. I think that's probably the key blowing up raiden. I can try to finish the string to start the charge of the last hit but you have plenty of time to interrupt at that point.
 
oh haha you saw that choke? I worked him so hard :[ and then I ended up losing to nerves
Indeed I did. That match was the final nail in the coffin where I was like "Ok im switching to A List for sure now" lol I was the guy who was asking you some questions about the special move cancelling and such.
 

Matador Fiend

Kombatant
After practicing with A-List, i take back what i posted before. JC is pretty damned solid. His d4 is legit as hell and once you can do his f3 4 cancels his pressure is pretty damned good.

Unfortunately, fisticuffs is ass. Maybe if the chip buff was innate or something itd have a use.

But ill be back working on mg A-List when my days off come.
 

Rodney Quillz

Kombatant
ya man, I played @Chaosphere at nwm, and althought I won in tourney went super even(maybe even in his favor I dont remember) raiden does what he wants if you slip up on your pressure due to having a 5f starter (motherfucker gets to start pressure on you if he blocks your f24 for free)
Didn't you say you had an easier way to cancel?
 

rafaw

#YouSuck
D4 is definitely one of his best tools, its insane to mix it with f24!
If they have like, 30% of health left after a np or if you get in, its pretty much over if you have meter, f24xxexFB D4~F3[4]rc~333xxnp/sk/sf! His rush down is really solid, i dont know about the top 5 tho.
 

EGP Awesomo

R.T.S.D
Didn't you say you had an easier way to cancel?
yessir, but its trickier to do with shadowkick than with f34 and 121. It still works but timing is abit different and I didnt practice it for nwm just because I didnt wanna try anything I wasnt 100% comfortable with doing in tournament (my bnb is usually f24 12 rc 12 but I opted for f24 d1 f3 just because its much easier to do)
 

EGP Awesomo

R.T.S.D
D4 is definitely one of his best tools, its insane to mix it with f24!
If they have like, 30% of health left after a np or if you get in, its pretty much over if you have meter, f24xxexFB D4~F3[4]rc~333xxnp/sk/sf! His rush down is really solid, i dont know about the top 5 tho.
You guys talk about his rushdown but nobody talks about his zoning and his ability to shut down zoning! His fireball has crazy recovery(its able to outzone a good portion of the cast) and his ex shadow kick is safe on block so Its a really good tool for getting in and getting his offense started. Hes top in my opinion because he has the tools to deal with everyone and because his offense is so good you dont ever have trouble shutting people down once you get in (quan chi is a good example, you win mid screen and upclose, full screen quan wins but hes so slow and has no armor that once you get in his face hes done)
 

rafaw

#YouSuck
ive notice that too, his zoning is good, force ball recovery is really fast!
BTW, how is that easier way to cancel? =)
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
I haven't seen the vid yet (at work) how are you getting around the ice clone pressure (assuming you don't have meter to armor through)?
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Oh ok cool. I'm heavily debating A-List/StuntDouble still. I've seen you have success with SD so far. I tried to get you to join our FB Cage group but you said you were too VIP for me haha
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Just now saw the vid, great set. Learned a lot about the MU. SD for sure is the one variation to use vs SZ so far
 

xGunShow

Toronto, Canada @GunShowXO
Was messing with his Stunt Double variation the other night. The mimic cancels and mimic moves seem to work well for continued pressure and it gets even better in the corner since it becomes easier to confirm into nut punch. Knowing that the mimic shadow kick and mimic rising punch are PLUS on block changes his game a ton. He gets a pretty good 50/50 in the corner as well. Here's an online set to get an idea:
@Mikemetroid
 

NY_Jailhouse

Warrior
mimic uppercut at least is definitely not +, or if it is its by like 1. its probably just zero. the shadow kick is though i think.
also i really dont think you can consider any of the mixups that johnny does have as a true 50/50. you mean 113 vs 11, f24? really doesnt count to me
Nice play regardless, btw
 
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xGunShow

Toronto, Canada @GunShowXO
mimic uppercut at least is definitely not +, or if it is its by like 1. its probably just zero. the shadow kick is though i think.
also i really dont think you can consider any of the mixups that johnny does have as a true 50/50. you mean 113 vs 11, f24? really doesnt count to me
Nice play regardless, btw
Agreed. Meant to say a better mix up game in the corner. Definitely not a true 50/50 though.