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Is the DC Film Universe getting a bad rep?

7L

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BvS was bad in theaters. The one on DVD with the deleted scenes was decent but once you watch both you wonder how they could put a movie out with all of the scenes that made it movie make sense not there. Suicide squad was okay, I wouldn't go see it again.
 

ThaShiveGeek

Est In Harvey 1989
When plot holes are so vulgar that I feel disrespected for watching, it lingers with me. Off the top of my head-

-General Ross says the Avengers need to be regulated because they save people but don't care about the cost of others lives, and this is a main plot. Yet had no problem dropping a nuclear bomb on New York City that would kill or radiate everyone to stop a crisis.

-In the comics, everyone and their grandma was involved. In the movie only a few characters were, and most of them are insignificant. The entire story is different/inferior but when it's DC people cry that Batman killed a dude so it's not true to the story.

-Vision was coincidentally missing from the opening scene for the sole purpose of the scene itself setting up the first arc.

-Cap gives Bucky a hard time about not killing anyone, but has no problem with Falcon blowing dudes up clean with missiles and shooting them.

-A rookie SpiderMan but Tony Stark knew his identity?? How? When? He just magically does. But when Lex knows things about characters "with no explanation" as to how in BvS it supposedly ruined the movie.

-In 1991 Cap was frozen. How could he possibly have known who killed Tony's parents? Did Nick Fury tell him, "yo btw, I saw a secret vid of yo boy Bucky killing Tony's parents. Keep it on the low."? Why are there 21st century cameras on the side of abandoned roads in 1991 recording 24/7 in perfect position to capture a murder?


-But the biggest, the baddest of them all is- NEMO'S PLAN, THE MAIN ARC, LITERALLY MAKES NO SENSE. His main plan was to force them to fight, and was already planned after Ultron's movie. But 1) How could he possibly know the Avengers would split due to the Accord politics? 2) How did he know Cap and Bucky would find the outpost, let alone even be together finding it? 3) How did he magically know that Falcon would be locked in a cell, and give up the location to the guy that put him there so IronMan can arrive the only possible way? 4) If IronMan wasn't given this information what was his plan, to stay locked inside with Cap and Bucky and dead Winter Soldiers he killed instead of using? 5) etc. Horrible, horrible main plot but GOAT level story.

One of the most overrated movies of the modern era. It was average to me. Too many plot holes and too much bad comedy in the middle of serious scenes killed my hype when watching it. 5/10 imo. But GOAT level movie lol.
You should be movie critic!!!
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
BvS was bad in theaters. The one on DVD with the deleted scenes was decent but once you watch both you wonder how they could put a movie out with all of the scenes that made it movie make sense not there.
I suspect that the BR of SS will also have a ton of extra footage and be much better off for it.
 
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Rathalos

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I legit enjoyed Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern more then Batmang v Supermang.

MoS had a small handful of redeeming qualities, mainly the two villains, and the smallville fight scene.
Still awful though.
 

SM StarGazer

The voice of reason in a Sea of Salt
Some people couldn't see that BvS was OBVIOUSLY caused by Dr. Manhattan and the Flashpoint. The end is nigh, Who watch's the Watcmen?

And can we all agree that V for Vendetta is the UNDISPUTED GREATEST COMICBOOK MOVIE OF ALL TIME. DC been hitting bitches with dark shit...shit that makes you think not just eyegasm cause that one guy held a helicopter and this guy has stupid abs. Batfleck's training montage ALONE shit on everything Cap has done aside from taking out a plane with a few well-timed backflips.

Blade 2 is still the shit tho.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
MoS was a lot better than it's giving credit. BvS had a lot of issue. Suicide squad was awesome. Most of the people who give it a bad rep are marvel fan boys hating or people who join the hate train cus they don't know better for example this guy
Cause they aren't good. The super heroes don't look cool enough compared to the marvel movies. For example, Most people are going to agree that the Batman saving Martha scene was the best thing of that movie. Why? because it was a cool action scene were you can actually see why they are super heroes. Similar to the airport fight in civil war. DC movies try to much on the plot side not in the action which makes them long and boring since the plots aren't that good either, and when they finally get to the action its Meh.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
Why do I always have to be the voice of reason? Sigh. Long post inbound, grab something to drink.



Man of Steel: One of if not the best Superman movie...EVER. PERIOD. Several people did not like the destruction yet love when that SAME LEVEL OF DESTRUCTION is animated. Let me tell you that tat was one of the MAIN focuses of MoS. Superman is YOUNG, DUMB, AND FULL OF..indecision. You don't become the Almighty Superman overnight. He has control of his powers just not to the degree of being able to hold back. ZOD WAS LOOKINGTO DESTROY EARTH, so OF COURSE he and company gave no shits about collateral damage, so do you think a young INEXPERIENCED Superman could fight against these MILITARY TRAINED WARRIORS without explosions going off everywhere. No even then he was not going full force. Just like Bitch Face Kyrptonian said "YOUR MORALITY IS YOUR WEAKNESS." He wouldn't cut loose cause even at a young age he was taught to hold back, be the bigger man, you know your powerful so show some restraint.

The pacing: Yes slow at first but that's any origin story, had he started off in the suit we'd have Superman Returns.

Superman: I tend to feel like noone has even read a comic these days. Superman HAS and ALWAYS will be miserable. Your God amongst ants...noone can relate to Superman..NOT EVEN THE READER. DUDE could you IMAGINE HOW INSANE YOUD BE IF YOU COULD HEAR EEEEEEVVVVEEERRRYYYTTTHHIIINNNGGG. That means you can hear all the murdering, child raping, regular raping, horrible DISGUSTING things humans are capable of and YET you STILL fight tooth and nail for that one family you hear having lunch together, laughing and having a good ole time. Superman is the most heartbreaking of ALLLLLLLLL SUPERHEROES. Snyder captures that and Henry Cavill does great showing the BURDEN IT IS TO JUST BE YOU.

Zod: Zod made that movie. Period. Kneel bitches.


Batman vs Superman: DAWN OF JUSTICE. KEYWORDS DAWWWNN OOFFF JUUUSSTTIICE. To me this movie was great, I loved it. Seen it more times then I've seen Civil War and I've been waiting to see Black Batman..er I mean Black Panther for decades. WB cut ALOT out yet the movie still served its purpose, showing the aftermath of MoS while also setting up the JL.

Led: Hit or miss on how he was portrayed, not in his execution however. He clearly hates all forms of higher power, he was abused and maybe worse and grew up think God was a cruel being. Then comes God himself and Led is like. "Where was yo antennas when the big bitch jumped on me? Nowhere to be found huh..yeah fuck God and you too for being a physical representation of EVERYTHING I HATE."
Manipulating Bruce was EASY

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KingHippo

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I haven't seen Suicide Squad, but I know for sure that MoS and BvS get exactly what they deserve because DC, foolishly, markets their movies as "films" that are supposed to be a cut above the typical box office flair, and it bites them in the ass everytime because the schlock they put out lacks exactly what the Marvel movies have in spade: heart and soul.

Marvel movies follow a pretty general formula, and it has largely run its course, but what keeps the movies still on top is that they're so damn entertaining AND they have characters the audience can care about and are willing to go back for time after time.

Look at Steve Rogers in these Marvel pictures. We know what he is about, and we know that even in the face of overwhelming odds he rarely, if ever, compromises. He's all about preserving people's personal freedom and protecting the little guy. He has done things he's not proud of and will admit that he did it because he had no other choice. Even in Civil War, when everything around him is falling apart, he never leaves his fellow soldiers behind and will not surrender his personal freedom. Great character, and the backbone of most of these movies.

They don't really shove this in your face, it's weaved in naturally. Make no mistake, these are popcorn flicks that happen to double as entertaining stuff on a character level.

In contrast, DC wants to make "films," or movies that appeal to a different, more "mature" crowd with "darker" themes. It's all BS because they don't bother establishing characters as much as they appear to be.

Look at MoS. We have Clark Kent, a character traditionally defined as an Alien who got a sense of good put in him by loving parents who cared for him despite his Alien status and put him on the right path. Now if you want to deviate from that, that's totally cool; it's not really the Superman I particularly want to see but I'm willing to ignore that if they can portray it in an interesting way. Instead, they went absolutely batty (pun intended).

Clark Kent in these new movies is now told from a young age to NOT HELP PEOPLE because the world "couldn't handle it" by Pa Kent. Okay...cool, I guess. Pa Kent then stupidly dies protecting people because he told his son not to. Urge to kill...rising. Then his long dead real father shows up and tells him "Look man, bring some help to the little people," and now it's cool? Clark has no values; he spent 33 years confused about his role in life because his villainous dad wouldn't let him use his powers, and now his ghost dad says the very obvious opposite and now it's cool? And then in the next movie they double down by having his mom say screw the world "you owe them nothing"? Screw that. He's an all powerful dummy.

To go along with this absurd notion, we have an abundance of Christ imagery that is supposed to make the movie feel "mature" but is eye rolling. Whether it be Clark pointing out he's 33 or him standing in a stained glass window with his head where Jesus' is, or falling out of an open spaceship with his arms out evoking the imagery of the Lord in his usual pose. Its cliche and false, doing little for the movie other than to provide yet another reason to be mature.

I'll give it props in that it does action right. The big fight scenes between the Kryptonians are splendid and look like DBZ fights come to life, which is very cool. Unfortunately I feel that's the only good part of a movie masquerading as a mature "dark film" that instead is as pedestrian and safe as any other superhero movie, only minus the charm and good characters. DC needs to go back to the drawing board, bad.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
yes, they are getting a bad rep - no, it's not because of industry bias.


Batman TDK still holds the record for best reviewed comic book movie. The other two out the trilogy are reviewed on par with or in some cases well above all the different Marvel films out there.


If DC makes good movies, they'll get good reviews. If they make movies the quality of BvS, they will get reviews the quality of BvS.
 

Saboteur-6

Filthy Casual
I think the DC movie U gets critiqued the most because it leans heavy into "gritty" comic book movies and takes someone like Superman and makes him super serious. So when there's obvious plot devices and McGuffin's they stand out even more because the DC movies try so hard to be "realistic". Batman V Supes felt like they were trying to cram too much in to try and build for Justice League.

I just got back from Suicide Squad and it's not as giant a piece of shit as the critics are saying but I wouldn't say it's exceptionally good either. It's pretty mediocre and suffers from being overhyped. Leto's Joker was pretty underwhelming, Killer Croc was a disaster, and they wanted you to like Harley Quinn so much that she over stays her welcome and does some pretty ridiculous action scenes. Will Smith's Deadshot was good and he gets some decent one-liners. Viola Davis's Amanda Waller was good. El Diablo is interesting visually as is Enchantress.

I was disappointed overall though.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
I think the DC movie U gets critiqued the most because it leans heavy into "gritty" comic book movies and takes someone like Superman and makes him super serious. So when there's obvious plot devices and McGuffin's they stand out even more because the DC movies try so hard to be "realistic". Batman V Supes felt like they were trying to cram too much in to try and build for Justice League.

I just got back from Suicide Squad and it's not as giant a piece of shit as the critics are saying but I wouldn't say it's exceptionally good either. It's pretty mediocre and suffers from being overhyped. Leto's Joker was pretty underwhelming, Killer Croc was a disaster, and they wanted you to like Harley Quinn so much that she over stays her welcome and does some pretty ridiculous action scenes. Will Smith's Deadshot was good and he gets some decent one-liners. Viola Davis's Amanda Waller was good. El Diablo is interesting visually as is Enchantress.

I was disappointed overall though.
damn they fucked up my boy croc?
 

Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
Why can't people understand that liking something doesn't make it not bad.

You can like things that are shitty, you don't need to try to convince the majority that they aren't shitty or look for reasons as to why people think it's shitty. Just enjoy it yourself.

Croc is so bad that they barely let him talk and when they do it's cringe worthy every...single...time.
"Let's make Killer Croc a black stereotype with scales, fans'll love that".
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
And can we all agree that V for Vendetta is the UNDISPUTED GREATEST COMICBOOK MOVIE OF ALL TIME.
For me it is FROM HELL followed closly by WATCHMEN (DC Cut) for the best comic movie. Though V for Vendetta is defiantly up there.

Croc is so bad that they barely let him talk and when they do it's cringe worthy every...single...time.
You know, I have seen SS twice now with two different crews one comic fans like myself and the other just film junkies and everyone loved Croc, especially or maybe because of his sparse dialogue so every time he spoke it was gold.
 

Pterodactyl

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yes, they are getting a bad rep - no, it's not because of industry bias.


Batman TDK still holds the record for best reviewed comic book movie. The other two out the trilogy are reviewed on par with or in some cases well above all the different Marvel films out there.


If DC makes good movies, they'll get good reviews. If they make movies the quality of BvS, they will get reviews the quality of BvS.
This, so much.

People are so obsessed with comparing and pointing fingers at Marvel.

DC's shitty movies aren't just shitty superhero movies. They are shitty action films in general.

If you were to do these movies exactly the same but without the brand name characters, they'd still be just as garbage.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
goddamn how do you manage to typecast a fckin crocodile man. I'm gonna be really disappointed if they fcked him up that bad

but meh whatever it takes for him to make I2, as long as he doesn't phone it in for that too im still happy


You know, I have seen SS twice now with two different crews one comic fans like myself and the other just film junkies and everyone loved Croc, especially or maybe because of his sparse dialogue so every time he spoke it was gold.
thank you for the spark of hope
 

Pterodactyl

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just out of curiosity how is he a Black Stereotype? Cause you know.. he wasn't in anyway shape or form.
His actor is black, his style is black, he literally uses black american slang and speech like "Shawty" and in one of the most cringey fucking things i've seen in modern cinema, he requested "BET" and is shown watching a TV screen of black women shaking their asses for his final scene.

Creating a stereotypical character isn't always as simple as making them that race on the outside

This shit was almost on the level of Jazz in the first transformers movie...

*Break dances into the scene*
"What's crackin' lil bitches?"
"This look like a cool place to kick it"

You can't make this shit up.
 
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God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
This, so much.

People are so obsessed with comparing and pointing fingers at Marvel.

DC's shitty movies aren't just shitty superhero movies. They are shitty action films in general.

If you were to do these movies exactly the same but without the brand name characters, they'd still be just as garbage.
that's basically it, the bolded bit is a good way of putting it. I feel like POSITIVE bias is the reason for these sorts of threads, if BvS was replaced with Transformers characters, it would be the worst reviewed film they have. Or power rangers, or whatever. But because DC has this massive following I feel like a lot of people are just loving seeing their characters on the screen in any form, and not reacting well to the harsh but fair reviews
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
His actor is black, his style is black, he literally uses black american slang and speech like "Shawty" and in one of the most cringey fucking things i've seen in modern cinema, he requested "BET" and is shown watching a TV screen of black women shaking their asses for his final scene.
I assume you are not joking, but this is more telling about your hang ups and attitudes than the films.
 

Saboteur-6

Filthy Casual
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You know, I have seen SS twice now with two different crews one comic fans like myself and the other just film junkies and everyone loved Croc, especially or maybe because of his sparse dialogue so every time he spoke it was gold.
Oh it was gold alright, so much that the theatre laughed anytime he said anything in that ridiculous drawl. That was so much of this movie for me though. Tried so hard to be edgy that it just came across as corny. Rife with bad plot devices too.
 

RVB

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Recently watched MoS and BvS and I gotta say, overall, I liked MoS better it was more cohesive whereas BvS had some parts that I did enjoy and some that I totally didn't.

Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor did not work for me also bringing on Doomsday like they did was another clear no no.
 

Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
I assume you are not joking, but this is more telling about your hang ups and attitudes than the films.
I'd say it's more telling about your lack of insight on the history of how minorities are treated in American media.

It's pretty fucking whacky when you have Deadshot and Waller written completely normally then have Killer Croc in the film the way he is.

Honestly Diablo may have been even more aggressively stereotypical but at least that's how is actually is in the comics.

Still though, fucking BET?