Jynks
some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
didn't some guy win evo with the hulk though?without assists Hulk is definitely fucked
didn't some guy win evo with the hulk though?without assists Hulk is definitely fucked
Yeah, and that is exactly the thing. Hulk can be really strong, but he needs to have assists, that's why whenever he is on a team, he is always the first character. If he ends up being the last character left alive in your team, you are in big trouble.didn't some guy win evo with the hulk though?
Fucking FACTS, man. That character was so barebones that it was criminal. Then you have his install that only lasts for a few seconds versus Morrigan's which lets her dominate practically the entire cast provided you have the execution for it. Make it make sense. >.>I would say Ryu in Marvel 3 is probably more incomplete than any character in MK1.
But you're still just facing one character. The assist is just that. It doesn't have a health bar.I mean like I said I’m just not a fan of the look of it. Also just walking into a fight knowing it’s 1 character seems so much more badass than having this smirking second character over in the corner. Again it’s just aesthetically displeasing.
Plus I love Kuai Liang Sub-Zero and while Kuai Liang and Sub-Zero may both be in the game neither of those options please me. I don’t like Bi-han. At least not as Sub-Zero. I also don’t have Jade and quite frankly the design choices of this game have been lackluster to me as well so I kinda hope Jade doesn’t come to this particular game.
Maybe in the next game once they hear A LOT of feedback.
Lolyou mean the "game sold really well, as in one of the best selling game WB released that year in a time when most big publishers were getting owned and selling hardly any copies" ... or the "MK1 is leading the Ps5 charts for most online players years after the release, beating SF and Tekken", or the "DLC sold so well, that we used the money to rebuild the prologue and offer a 200k+ pot and will be releasing more DLC".
yeah.. pretty sure if they listen to all of that any normal company will just make MK2 the same as MK1. Luckily for you one of the things that makes MK so good is that they reinvent the game every time. So while I do not expect the "new era" to change at all, and stuff like Sektor gender change is permanent, the Kameo system will be gone in MK2 and some other system will be in the game, which is sure to make some people tear their hair out!
Yeah but it’s just ugly.But you're still just facing one character. The assist is just that. It doesn't have a health bar.
Like if I'm picking Geras and I grab Sareena, I'm just giving Geras better fireballs, more damaging combos, better meter build.
The way I see it is that I'm adding tools to my main.
you're right, as some people just can not adept to facts.Idk man I’ve just figured out you cannot debate with some people.
Pffft okayyou're right, as some people just can not adept to facts.
It IS one of the two best selling games form WB. I WAS a huge hit a a time when many large IP games from major studio's bombed super bad. It DOSE have more players than Tekkan and SF on PS5. The dlc DID sell so well that they used the funds for the new pro-leauge, added a 200K+ pot and will be making more DLC.
These are all facts. The only "delusion" here is yours thinking that as you dislike something, everyone else did or that the noise of social media is actually representative of the player base. The actual truth is MK1 did very, very well... and regardless of if it is "objectively good or not"... from a business perspective, it did everything it was supposed to. The lessons corporate will learn form MK1 is to "do that again"... not "do something different"
You'll eventually learn that certain individuals are just best left alone and let them yell at the clouds.Pffft okay
Lol okay.
Yeah best MK ever! Keep this shit up NRS! Hahahahaha
Fucking FACTS, man. That character was so barebones that it was criminal. Then you have his install that only lasts for a few seconds versus Morrigan's which lets her dominate practically the entire cast provided you have the execution for it. Make it make sense. >.>
Honest question, didn't they cancel the dlc? Was there an announcement or a leak saying they actually are going to release more content in the future?It IS one of the two best selling games form WB. I WAS a huge hit a a time when many large IP games from major studio's bombed super bad. It DOSE have more players than Tekkan and SF on PS5. The dlc DID sell so well that they used the funds for the new pro-league, added a 200K+ pot and will be making more DLC.
This still doesn't make any sense to me.Yeah but it’s just ugly.
Like I’ve seen assists in MK11’s towers and while mechanically they don’t work the same as MK1 visually it’s the same. It looks like someone barfed a bunch of different moves which thematically have nothing to do with your character. Also it just looks weird as fuck with intros, outros, and fatalities. The whole concept is just flawed to me. I hate it.
You've never actually played the game. You have no experience to say whether it's good or bad.Pffft okay
Lol okay.
Yeah best MK ever! Keep this shit up NRS! Hahahahaha
But what Jynks said was true. Like you can look most of it up to verify.You'll eventually learn that certain individuals are just best left alone and let them yell at the clouds.
I'm having a hard time finding anything indicating Khaos Reigns sold well at all. I mean, it sold so well it was 60% off before long! A huge indicator that something sold well is it being put on sale within two months? News to me, I suppose.But what Jynks said was true. Like you can look most of it up to verify.
That’s the thing though. I don’t want tag team unless it’s in a mode. The main gameplay? Abso-fucking-lutely not. No.This still doesn't make any sense to me.
Kano throws knives and does Kano Balls. Something he's always done. Your character is calling Kano in to assist in the fight and Kano is using his classic Kano moves to do so.
How does it look weird when the assist is standing next to your character? You know, like a partner would.
Have you ever watched wrestling? You know how when a tag team beats another team, the winning team both flex in the middle of the ring? It's like that. That's not really a flaw.
Does the screen look busy? Sure. But no more busy than General Zod and his trait or stuff like that.
And compared to MVC, the screen is way tamer.
How do you even know? You've never played it. It's purely just vibes to you.That’s the thing though. I don’t want tag team unless it’s in a mode. The main gameplay? Abso-fucking-lutely not. No.
It’s a clusterfuck on a screen and I don’t like what has always been 1 v 1 to now suddenly not be 1 v 1.
If they want this game to be its own line of games then cool. I won’t play them.
Please bring 1 v 1 back and everyone who actually enjoys this shit can play that line of games.
I wouldn't even say the screen looks busy most of the time unless you're using a kameo like Khameleon. MvC and other games like it, however, have shit going on all over the place. I'd much rather watch them than play them. xDThis still doesn't make any sense to me.
Kano throws knives and does Kano Balls. Something he's always done. Your character is calling Kano in to assist in the fight and Kano is using his classic Kano moves to do so.
How does it look weird when the assist is standing next to your character? You know, like a partner would.
Have you ever watched wrestling? You know how when a tag team beats another team, the winning team both flex in the middle of the ring? It's like that. That's not really a flaw.
Does the screen look busy? Sure. But no more busy than General Zod and his trait or stuff like that.
And compared to MVC, the screen is way tamer.
I'm not speaking on behalf of others, I'm just bringing data, and the data doesn't lie.Who are you to speak on the behalf of countless others?
Of course they would drop the price, because it was the holiday season plus Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Of course the prices would've getting lower for these occasions. In fact, I've seen in Amazon, where you can actually see how many people bought a certain product, around the Black Friday/Cyber Monday time, that MK1 on PS5 was sold 2000 copies, and Tekken 8 sold like 100 PS5 copies, and then SF6 didn't get any data for PS5, indicating that no one bought SF6, at least not for PS5 from Amazon, during this whole time.I'm having a hard time finding anything indicating Khaos Reigns sold well at all. I mean, it sold so well it was 60% off before long! A huge indicator that something sold well is it being put on sale within two months? News to me, I suppose.
Did NRS specifically state that it sold well enough to where it funded the new Pro Tour? That it's the source of the $200k~ pot spread out between how many tournaments? That we're definitely getting new DLC because of it?
If so, my Google-Fu is fucking garbage all of a sudden. I'd be happy to be provided with anything about the aforementioned.
It IS one of the two best selling games form WB. I WAS a huge hit a a time when many large IP games from major studio's bombed super bad. It DOSE have more players than Tekkan and SF on PS5. The dlc DID sell so well that they used the funds for the new pro-leauge, added a 200K+ pot and will be making more DLC.I'm not speaking on behalf of others, I'm just bringing data, and the data doesn't lie.
Of course they would drop the price, because it was the holiday season plus Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Of course the prices would've getting lower for these occasions. In fact, I've seen in Amazon, where you can actually see how many people bought a certain product, around the Black Friday/Cyber Monday time, that MK1 on PS5 was sold 2000 copies, and Tekken 8 sold like 100 PS5 copies, and then SF6 didn't get any data for PS5, indicating that no one bought SF6, at least not for PS5 from Amazon, during this whole time.
Also, what the Pro Kompetition tour has to do with anything? They are not gonna use the money to fund the tour, and even if they did, they got no obligation to mention such a thing. You're mixing things that have no relation to one another.
Yes, people did like MK11 Towers of Time, not only because of the unlocks but also because of the gameplay, both with the modifiers and Konsumables, a lot of which granted an attacking assist. NRS and WB clearly saw that thanks to the Race against Time data and expanded on both, that's how we got both the Kameos and Invasions. And considering that MK1 still outsells both SF6 and Tekken 8, it shows that people do like both Invasions and Kameos. Just because that you and some other people on the interent that keep screaming their negative thoughts didn't like it that doesn't mean the majority of players didn't. The data doesn't lie.Wait wait wait.
You are equating players grinding in towers of time with liking assists? GOD NO!
In fact that was my LEAST favorite part of towers of time. I played towers mostly to get gear and ,while in that game mode (towers) it can give a bit of variety, in the end very few want that across ALL game modes.
As others have mentioned, MVC games had multiple characters that needed to have an assist. I will give another example of my own, Omega Red in MVC2. Omega Red couldn't have chip the opponent in MVC2 due to his slow super moves and one-hit specials that he needed an assist to chip the opponent, unlike other characters in MVC2.The problem is not even players being accustomed to assists.
Its the way the assists are implemented and it is a core system issue.
The impression during announcment of mk 1 was the return to full characters, no variations or cutome move bs mix and matching and charcaters being split into pieces. The return to full movsets. With then the addition of kameos on top of that functioning as assists.
Reality is we didnt really get that.
On paper it seems we did but we didnt.
If you look at conan for example. Without using a kameo you can barely get a combo route going, you literally cant preforme a structured combo, unless you use the 2 bar cancle or land a 20+ frame f3 that is a launching string.
Characters arent complete on their own with the kameo then being slapped on for extra sauce, characters more often the not tend to barley be able to gel their moveset together properly and requier a specific kameo pick to actually come online. And this is the case not just for combos but also for utility set ups and general gameplans of characters and what they can do.
Thats the issue, and this is the case for the majority of the cast and was since the games launch. New moves and a better design of charcters did attemtp to melow this issue but its not enough, those are just band aid fixes and you cant fix core system issues with band aid fixes and especially not with the rate of patching mk1 is getting.
Look at other assist games, or tag games with assist functions, are their charcaters near unusable without an assist?
Are you barley able to do anything with magneto in mvc2 without assists?
Is doctor doom completly saucless without assists in umvc3??
Ill answer it for you, its no, you can do whatever the fuck you want with them and the assists are just the cherry on top used for set ups , mix ups extensions etc etc. Not a requierment to make the character work at all.
And back when the game laucnhed and for like a good 9 months of its life the kameos themselves were in a weird state as well, which definetly didnt help people like the system also.
If talking strictly gameplay wise, thats the games biggest issue and the reason the kameo system is nit enjoyable or well recieved by many people casual and competative alike.
I missed that one particular post, that one is on me. However, this doesn't contradict my point regarding the prices and the sales of MK1. Also, Jynks said it before, you made your post, so I guess that means you also missed his response, is that correct?It IS one of the two best selling games form WB. I WAS a huge hit a a time when many large IP games from major studio's bombed super bad. It DOSE have more players than Tekkan and SF on PS5. The dlc DID sell so well that they used the funds for the new pro-leauge, added a 200K+ pot and will be making more DLC.
These are all facts. The only "delusion" here is yours thinking that as you dislike something, everyone else did or that the noise of social media is actually representative of the player base. The actual truth is MK1 did very, very well... and regardless of if it is "objectively good or not"... from a business perspective, it did everything it was supposed to. The lessons corporate will learn form MK1 is to "do that again"... not "do something different" -Jynks
Did you not read what others said? I wasn't talking about the Pro Kompetition just to pull it out of my ass, dude. So, for your information, -I- am not mixing up a god damn thing.
Mind referring me to the data that covers EVERY casual player and EVERY PvP player and their opinion on the game? I'd love to see your data that you seem to have. If not, you're speaking on behalf of others.
Also, Khaos Reigns was just recently 60% off. As in this month recently. That's not Cyber Monday or Black Friday.
I can already tell this isn't gonna get anywhere. Duly noted.I missed that one particular post, that one is on me. However, this doesn't contradict my point regarding the prices and the sales of MK1.
The problem is the execution of the Kameo system. The idea is actually kinda cool and I honestly think it could work. But the risk/reward is just way too lopsided. I talked about this in my MK1 isn’t your Father’s Assist Fighter thread, about how imbalanced the Kameos and just the system in general is. Not going to rehash all the points I made in that thread, so check it out if anyone is interested. But the overall point is that it’d take a serious overhaul of the entire Kameo system in order to fix it, and there’s no reason for NRS to do that. Now if they were going to implement a Kameo system in a future game, they absolutely could and should overhaul it, but I doubt we’ll see Kameos again after MK1, at the very least not in the same way.. It is what it is.. most people don't like the Kameo system, you here this OVER and OVER again, even from people like Max and yet the community still ignores that still attributing the dissatisfaction to "hate".
That's one of my biggest issues with the Kameos: they're not able to be punished easily enough, especially for what they can provide. If something launches or puts you in a state to get hit by a combo via a Kameo, that shit should be death on block.The problem is the execution of the Kameo system. The idea is actually kinda cool and I honestly think it could work. But the risk/reward is just way too lopsided. I talked about this in my MK1 isn’t your Father’s Assist Fighter thread, about how imbalanced the Kameos and just the system in general is. Not going to rehash all the points I made in that thread, so check it out if anyone is interested. But the overall point is that it’d take a serious overhaul of the entire Kameo system in order to fix it, and there’s no reason for NRS to do that. Now if they were going to implement a Kameo system in a future game, they absolutely could and should overhaul it, but I doubt we’ll see Kameos again after MK1, at the very least not in the same way.
So yeah, if it wasn’t obvious, my main gripe with MK1 are the Kameos and how there’s zero risk in using them, they can’t really be punished (inherently), the characters aren’t punished for using them, and the list goes on. It’s a shame too because I actually think MK1 is really fun and it has gotten soo much better since release. But the mechanic just ruins the game competitively for me
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But where is Khaos Reigns being only recently got a 60% discount? What website is it from? And from what date it started? Because if it started from Christmas time, it is a holiday discount that just still goes on. Dates discount starting also matters. And once again, MK1 as a whole old very well, and it only got even more sales after KR's release, so this indicates that KR also sold very well.I wasn't refuting their sales. I specifically laid out what I had an issue with. Point out where I said anything about the game's overall sales? I mentioned Khaos Reigns' sales, not MK1's sales as a whole.
And I specifically pointed out the sale period of this month not being Cyber Monday or Black Friday.
And how is that any different from regular moves not being punishable? How is that different from a move from the main character being super safe or plus? What you're telling me is that your issue with the Kameos are not the system in and out of itself, it's just that you don't know what to do against them. Even if some Kameo moves are that powerful, so are main character moves, but you can find solutions against them and the characters using them just fine. It's not different from Kameos.That's one of my biggest issues with the Kameos: they're not able to be punished easily enough, especially for what they can provide. If something launches or puts you in a state to get hit by a combo via a Kameo, that shit should be death on block.