Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

It is a pleasure to have you on this forum @Eddy Wang and I think what you're working on could be as big as sonic mania. I agree Tom Brady is basically brilliant but also very emotional. His accent, his knowledgable observations, and his low patience for B.S. make him a good presenter - he's just got to avoid falling on that sword for the thousandth time. I want for his trajectory to be like Aris / Avoiding the Puddle. Maybe Tom should smile or laugh a little bit more and play other games. I agree with most of Brady's opinions on the game/NRS in general. I willfully tune out any old drama thats brought up here. Honestly Brady reminds me of Aris because they both are of the same generation, which is the same as me. I like that type of editorial voice out there, I just wish Brady was hyper fixated on a better game series lol One that would actually improve based on critical observations

 

[PrinceGoro]

I'm not questioning how anyone couldn't hate his guts. I'm questioning and judging people who borderline simp and salivate for a chance to jump to his defense at literally the smallest disagreement. Vulgar does nothing to garner grace from other posters so its not super surprising, but its funny when Tom calls them out personally, Vulgar fires back, then people dog pile Vulgar for being mean to Tom lmao. Why does anyone care?

I'm basically repeating things I've said in the prior to messages, but Tom fans seem to be burdened with a doozy of a victim complex and project what they want onto a reply, so third time's the charm. I'm not judging Tom, I'm judging you.

Ok but tom didnt call out vulgar randomly out of the blue you do realise that?

The little amount of times tom posted here about mk1, vulgar was there in the replies 99.9% of the time with standard vulgar energy, chatting mad shit and insulting tom. Not even mentiong all the other times as well talking smack about tom and shitting on him, with other users as well in random disscussions and threada without direct replies.

So yeah nobody is dogpiling on vulgar for "defending" himself lol.

Its not that deep but im just saying its mad funny that people who hate tom to the max,spreading also missinformation, cant just hate in peace, they have to also complain about people who dont hate him and call out the facts when disscuing.

Idk wtf are you judging me for, its not even about tom at the end of the day, or defending him. Like if someone starts posting here how wsj515 is a rapist who molests girls at torunaments cause there was some situation( and people misreoresent what happend) and i know thats not true id act the same as now and say yeah you are full of shit wsj didnt do that, this is what actuslly happened etc etc.

Do you understand or do we need to go to ms paint?

 

[PrinceGoro]

Nope i don't think so.
You probably noticed, every time M2dave asked whoever wants to be part of their streams and talk about the issues of MK1 in general, i always applied, even though dave said yes, for some reason, the stream never happened, that's because when i apply to the streams tom refuses to do them.

And then a few weeks later he does the stream with Dave anyway

I tried 3 times, and 3 times the same stuff happened, this last one had me thinking it was kind of a dick move, and i could at least get some explanation on why, but... no one said anything and they proceed to do the stream without at least explaining why wasn't i called or at least said "look man, we can't do the stream with you because this and that..."
I would understand, but the fact that they kept silence says a lot about personality.

So i don't think Tom gets hate because he is Tom, he may not realise this but it's stuff like this that says a lot about who you are, not that i hate Tom, but i'm a bit disappointed considering the respect i have for him and even agree to many of his points, so its possible that who knows Tom for years might have to deal with this over and over and just say "that's enough" at one point.

Its hard to comment on this because i dont know what you disscused personally between each other.

But i will say this, from what i understand tom and m2dave were not exactly looking to bring someone on the podcast who will basically agree with them on majority of the points.

They were looking to have people on that heavily disagree with them and have a debate with them, to spice things up. Which is why they wanted crimson and vulgar, (crimson is an ex host with them and is major nrs white knight, and vulgar is well you know lol).

M2dave can correct me on this but thats my interpretation of it, as i remember you posting here about being on the podcast as well.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Its hard to comment on this because i dont know what you disscused personally between each other.

But i will say this, from what i understand tom and m2dave were not exactly looking to bring someone on the podcast who will basically agree with them on majority of the points.

They were looking to have people on that heavily disagree with them and have a debate with them, to spice things up. Which is why they wanted crimson and vulgar, (crimson is an ex host with them and is major nrs white knight, and vulgar is well you know lol).

M2dave can correct me on this but thats my interpretation of it, as i remember you posting here about being on the podcast as well.

There were things i do agree and disagree with them, i'm was not there to spark controversy, but to have a reasonable discussion about the state of the game, definitely wasn't aimed at riding each others dicks for agreement.

Even if they don't think that i wouldn't be enough to have a lot od disagreement, would be at least nice to let me know, instead of keeping me in the dark and then do the podcast anyway and discuss points i also wanted to discuss on stream...

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

They were looking to have people on that heavily disagree with them and have a debate with them, to spice things up.

just want to piggy back this was mentioned on their podcast a lot after crimson left. And it’s true, what’s more to say? That’s why I was hoping they’d detour to talk about fan MK projects and other fighting games. MK can still be the throughline but I don’t even think the publisher or dev of MK1 have anything to share, much less us popcorn eaters on the sidelines. MK1 has finally become a static quantity and everyone including Maximillian have done their post mortems for why the game failed to catch on with the FGC.

I don’t really have any opinion of how they run their podcast I’ve worked on a few as a producer/audio editor - it is difficult to manage all your messages politely when you are producing multiple episodes at once

The hosts themselves as you’ve mentioned were reticent to continue it

 

[M2Dave]

But i will say this, from what i understand tom and m2dave were not exactly looking to bring someone on the podcast who will basically agree with them on majority of the points.

Correct.

Nonetheless, I owe @Eddy Wang an apology for failing to communicate this piece of information privately.

However, my polemic opinion is that the people who no longer play Mortal Kombat 1 have absolutely nothing interesting or innovative to say about the game. I know that Mike and Tom are good fighting game players, but their criticism of Mortal Kombat 1 is obsolete, which is why Mike talks about "ugly girls in the FGC" while Tom focuses on "false dreams sold by the FGC", two irrelevant and fabricated topics that a total of zero mainstream content creators are discussing. My intent is not to group Eddy with Mike or Tom, but regurgitating the same criticism of the game for ten consecutive episodes was never going to be beneficial or entertaining for the audience, particularly by someone who, I presume, has not played a competitive match in a very long time because of Mortal Kombat 1's horrendous net code in Africa.

 

[Vulgar]

You’re missing everything.
Not everything is racist, sexist or homophobic.

Guys, this dude never answers a direct question.

 

[Vulgar]

Ok but tom didnt call out vulgar randomly out of the blue you do realise that?

The little amount of times tom posted here about mk1, vulgar was there in the replies 99.9% of the time with standard vulgar energy, chatting mad shit and insulting tom. Not even mentiong all the other times as well talking smack about tom and shitting on him, with other users as well in random disscussions and threada without direct replies.

So yeah nobody is dogpiling on vulgar for "defending" himself lol.

Its not that deep but im just saying its mad funny that people who hate tom to the max,spreading also missinformation, cant just hate in peace, they have to also complain about people who dont hate him and call out the facts when disscuing.

Idk wtf are you judging me for, its not even about tom at the end of the day, or defending him. Like if someone starts posting here how wsj515 is a rapist who molests girls at torunaments cause there was some situation( and people misreoresent what happend) and i know thats not true id act the same as now and say yeah you are full of shit wsj didnt do that, this is what actuslly happened etc etc.

Do you understand or do we need to go to ms paint?

I've only ever commented on something Tom said when either:

A) He was lying about something.

B) I disagreed with something he said.

Never did I make a thread about him, or mention him in a podcast, or talk about him in a status update without tagging him, you know, all stuff he's done to me.

I'll tell you what I told another poster here: You really need to stop jocking for Tom Brady. He does not care about you.

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

However, my polemic opinion is that the people who no longer play Mortal Kombat 1 have absolutely nothing interesting or innovative to say about the game.

If you ever decide to continue down the podcast route or you want to make something more focused on the competitive side of MK, with some color topics like fan games, I will gladly listen. I’ll also offer my services to master the audio. I can even make cool audio interstitials and themes

 

[Vulgar]

If you ever decide to continue down the podcast route or you want to make something more focused on the competitive side of MK, with some color topics like fan games, I will gladly listen. I’ll also offer my services to master the audio. I can even make cool audio interstitials and themes

I think @M2Dave should host an exhibition night sort of like Pig of the Hut's old Red Hot Sundays streams.

I'd sign up.

It's time, Dave. Enter your organizer Era.

 

[Trickywizard]

Guys, this dude never answers a direct question.

If you know and are in the know you know, you know what I mean?

 

[Trickywizard]

Couldn’t agree more with Dave, if you don’t play the game why are you talking?
I didn’t like SF6 I don’t talk SF6.

also Mike Hollow shits on every game ever, he’s been shitting on TK8 lately.

 

[Eldriken]

Couldn’t agree more with Dave, if you don’t play the game why are you talking?
I didn’t like SF6 I don’t talk SF6.

also Mike Hollow shits on every game ever, he’s been shitting on TK8 lately.

If you don't answer questions, why are you asking them?

 

[Trickywizard]

If you don't answer questions, why are you asking them?

If you don’t get your questions answered, why are you still asking them?

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

If you don’t get your questions answered, why are you still asking them?

Ok Socrates, calm down.

 

[Eldriken]

If you don’t get your questions answered, why are you still asking them?

You're as good at ducking questions as @just_2swift is at ducking @Vulgar.

 

[Trickywizard]

You're as good at ducking questions as @just_2swift is at ducking @Vulgar.

Sounds sexual.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Correct.

Nonetheless, I owe @Eddy Wang an apology for failing to communicate this piece of information privately.

However, my polemic opinion is that the people who no longer play Mortal Kombat 1 have absolutely nothing interesting or innovative to say about the game. I know that Mike and Tom are good fighting game players, but their criticism of Mortal Kombat 1 is obsolete, which is why Mike talks about "ugly girls in the FGC" while Tom focuses on "false dreams sold by the FGC", two irrelevant and fabricated topics that a total of zero mainstream content creators are discussing. My intent is not to group Eddy with Mike or Tom, but regurgitating the same criticism of the game for ten consecutive episodes was never going to be beneficial or entertaining for the audience, particularly by someone who, I presume, has not played a competitive match in a very long time because of Mortal Kombat 1's horrendous net code in Africa.

aight, we cool.
But keep in mind, last time we discussed on discord, we both were playing the game, and if i recall correctly, i told you i found joy in Ermac and was willing to take him further. We still have offline scenes even if very few ones, and some ppl still join to play, even if i play mostly tekken 8 for the majority of the time that i'm not working, but i see your point.

btw, you should keep going, with or without tom, the topic enough brings sparks and might even bring interest back to play the game, it did to me for a while, it might do for others, it's also good to hear while working and can make mornings easy to get to, this used to be one of my favorite things in the work days

 

[Vulgar]

You're as good at ducking questions as @just_2swift is at ducking @Vulgar.

Finally someone says what we've all been thinking.

 

[haketh]

One thing NRS does need their ass kicked is the server thing. They know they have a lively scene in Africa & parts of the Middle East, give them the love they deserve & fix the server issue

IDK why this is such an issue right now with multiple games when it wasn’t near this bad with previous ones & it ain’t just a NRS issue

 

[LEGEND]

If you know and are in the know you know, you know what I mean?

You’re missing everything.
Not everything is racist, sexist or homophobic.

You and the two people that liked your response are fucking brain dead. I posed a binary situation of either you have an answer (I'm missing something) or you don't and this is you just being a bigot. All too common nowadays for people to make non-committal remarks or actions that show their true colors but leave room to backpedal or play coy when confronted.

Stop being a bitch and answer the question.

 

[Trickywizard]

Personal insults isn't gonna get you anywhere with me.
Think you better than me? Run the ft10.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

crimson is an ex host with them and is major nrs white knight, and vulgar is well you know lol.

I don't have a need to white knight. I call things as I see them. When I don't like something, I'll say so, and when I like something, I'm not afraid to like it just because some other people don't.

My opinons on MKX and MK1 are night and day, and that's fine. Both are made by the same company, but that makes no difference.

What I have no time for is toxicity. If you don't like something, then be contructive about how to improve it. Support your competitive scene and advocate for change, or just admit the game just isn't for you. Constantly spamming "X sucks/is the worst ever/I hate XYZ and everyone should agree with me" doesn't accomplish anything productive.

 

[Eji1700]

One thing NRS does need their ass kicked is the server thing. They know they have a lively scene in Africa & parts of the Middle East, give them the love they deserve & fix the server issue

IDK why this is such an issue right now with multiple games when it wasn’t near this bad with previous ones & it ain’t just a NRS issue

Might be a politics/infrastructure thing. I'm vaguely aware of some business infrastructure in that area for cloud stuff struggling as well, but I don't know why.

You and the two people that liked your response are fucking brain dead. I posed a binary situation of either you have an answer (I'm missing something) or you don't and this is you just being a bigot. All too common nowadays for people to make non-committal remarks or actions that show their true colors but leave room to backpedal or play coy when confronted.

Stop being a bitch and answer the question.

While tricky should just give a fucking reason because cryptic nonsesne is just middle school rumor shit, why is the default bigot for hating on fox?

I'm not even near the scene and i've at least heard that sonic can be difficult, but I also know fuck all about it and couldn't begin to give a shit, so I'm certainly not going to judge a stranger based on another strangers says about them. Just seems silly to assume that if someone thinks sonic is "...a piece of shit scumbag too." to jump instantly to bigotry?

 

[LEGEND]

Might be a politics/infrastructure thing. I'm vaguely aware of some business infrastructure in that area for cloud stuff struggling as well, but I don't know why.


While tricky should just give a fucking reason because cryptic nonsesne is just middle school rumor shit, why is the default bigot for hating on fox?

I'm not even near the scene and i've at least heard that sonic can be difficult, but I also know fuck all about it and couldn't begin to give a shit, so I'm certainly not going to judge a stranger based on another strangers says about them. Just seems silly to assume that if someone thinks sonic is "...a piece of shit scumbag too." to jump instantly to bigotry?

they could just give their answer. I'm simply stating that their failure to do so is a bad indication. They could have dispelled it instantly.

As I haven't heard any public (key word) defamation of Sonic (again, unless I'm missing something) it seems pretty strong to call them a PoS. And since there has been continuous bigotry aimed at Sonic in pretty much any social media thread or comment section for over a decade, bigotry is a likely default for people sending hate their way. Not to mention the current social climate, in case you haven't noticed.