Gorilla Grodd General Discussion Thread

[TotallyNotKotalKahn]

they shouldnt have taken all his plus frames off of b2, and b1 grab, the grab needs to have much better range. if I connect b1 at all the grab should connect because of how slow b1 is. I can see no reason to have the grab whiff so consistently.

 

[Skedar70]

No. You can only land it after a jump in or b2 sc on hit.

Midscreen it doesnt even combo consistently.

Grodd has no proper way to open up someone for a combo. That My entire point.

I’m aware of the options and they dont lead to anything threatening

Dude you don't know anything about the character. What do you mean by a "proper way of open up some one" a 50/50? STFU they are plenty of ways of opening someone up with Grodd. You clearly have never played the character. You can use b1 SC after every combo that ends in a restand. You are talking about Grodd having no advantage after his throw? He has a Throw loop dude where the opponent is right next to you so you can keep throwing the shit out of them unless they do something about it.

You say that with proper defense Grodd doesn't have a "proper way of opening someone up" Dude this applies even to black adam and prepatch catwoman. GTFO with the excuses you don't even play the character and you are here talking about stuff you don't even know.

 

[Skedar70]

they shouldnt have taken all his plus frames off of b2, and b1 grab, the grab needs to have much better range. if I connect b1 at all the grab should connect because of how slow b1 is. I can see no reason to have the grab whiff so consistently.

B1 grab has never had plus frames its actually punishable. B1 Stampede cancel has always been and still is like +3

 

[looneyloopz]

B1 grab has never had plus frames its actually punishable. B1 Stampede cancel has always been and still is like +3

It's just as plus as B2 before, you can beat 6F reversals going B1~SC~22 so more then +3 for sure

 

[looneyloopz]

Dude you don't know anything about the character. What do you mean by a "proper way of open up some one" a 50/50? STFU they are plenty of ways of opening someone up with Grodd. You clearly have never played the character. You can use b1 SC after every combo that ends in a restand. You are talking about Grodd having no advantage after his throw? He has a Throw loop dude where the opponent is right next to you so you can keep throwing the shit out of them unless they do something about it.

You say that with proper defense Grodd doesn't have a "proper way of opening someone up" Dude this applies even to black adam and prepatch catwoman. GTFO with the excuses you don't even play the character and you are here talking about stuff you don't even know.

Exactly

 

[Skedar70]

It's just as plus as B2 before, you can beat 6F reversals going B1~SC~22 so more then +3 for sure

Great. Even better.

 

[Wigy]

Dude you don't know anything about the character. What do you mean by a "proper way of open up some one" a 50/50? STFU they are plenty of ways of opening someone up with Grodd. You clearly have never played the character. You can use b1 SC after every combo that ends in a restand. You are talking about Grodd having no advantage after his throw? He has a Throw loop dude where the opponent is right next to you so you can keep throwing the shit out of them unless they do something about it.

You say that with proper defense Grodd doesn't have a "proper way of opening someone up" Dude this applies even to black adam and prepatch catwoman. GTFO with the excuses you don't even play the character and you are here talking about stuff you don't even know.

Those characters have legit staggers and can both d1 combo reliably with great neutral buttons and cw j2 bladam j2/divekick. Thats scratching the surface and that comparison is stupid.

My point is, you cant b1 ouside of already opening them up or landing a j2 and he has no other proper plus frames AND no proper staggers or mixups.

His grab loops suffer as grodd has to commit more to a backdash punish than most characters.

 

[TotallyNotKotalKahn]

B1 grab has never had plus frames its actually punishable. B1 Stampede cancel has always been and still is like +3

I know b1 never had plus frames, i was talking about the grab range but my sentence formatting was poor.

It's just as plus as B2 before, you can beat 6F reversals going B1~SC~22 so more then +3 for sure

b2 has five less block advantage frames. Is it still the same as pre patch on hit?

 

[TotallyNotKotalKahn]

One thing that strikes me as odd is that a bunch of the top level grodd players have either dropped the character or been completely silent since the patch. I dont get it, i figured they would be pumping out fresh tech with the buffs...

 

[Marlow]

What are "proper plus frames" or "proper staggers or mixups"?

 

[Skedar70]

Those characters have legit staggers and can both d1 combo reliably with great neutral buttons and cw j2 bladam j2/divekick. Thats scratching the surface and that comparison is stupid.

My point is, you cant b1 ouside of already opening them up or landing a j2 and he has no other proper plus frames AND no proper staggers or mixups.

His grab loops as grodd has to commit more to a backdash punish than most characters.

I know your type. You will always find an excuse for whatever option you are presented with. There isn't a 1 button solution to everything. No character has that. You want to stagger in neutral use b2 stampede cancel its 0 still useful you can also use f2 its plus +2. Catwoman staggers are not all plus some of them are negative 1 or 2 so nobody has a perfect all plus staggers without gaps or resources.

 

[Skedar70]

One thing that strikes me as odd is that a bunch of the top level grodd players have either dropped the character or been completely silent since the patch. I dont get it, i figured they would be pumping out fresh tech with the buffs...

There wasn't many people who had a good Grodd. The most visible good Grodd is Goonie and he is all mad because they made the cancels easier so now anybody can do them. They didn't made many changes to Grodd so he mostly remains the same so there isn't much tech to find. D1 into mind control now combos so all you can say is that he has a 6f punisher when he activates trait.

 

[TotallyNotKotalKahn]

whats the most plus the sc cancel can get?

also i need s3 tech. i know that we can cancel off of each hit, so there might be some kind of thing there, it can be sc'd. it seems like the second hit has more hitstun than the other 2 considering the way it acts with furious flurry. if you just clip the opponent with the second hit over and over it combos for much longer and more damage, so it seems like there is hidden tech in that move. I just need more ways to beat chest.

 

[Skedar70]

b1 and 112 are the more plus ones. S3 has been mentioned before but its hard to do so maybe there is something there.

 

[looneyloopz]

b1 and 112 are the more plus ones. S3 has been mentioned before but its hard to do so maybe there is something there.

As far as I know, unfortunately not

 

[looneyloopz]

I know b1 never had plus frames, i was talking about the grab range but my sentence formatting was poor.




b2 has five less block advantage frames. Is it still the same as pre patch on hit?

B2 is +24 on hit just like before

 

[Wigy]

I know your type. You will always find an excuse for whatever option you are presented with. There isn't a 1 button solution to everything. No character has that. You want to stagger in neutral use b2 stampede cancel its 0 still useful you can also use f2 its plus +2. Catwoman staggers are not all plus some of them are negative 1 or 2 so nobody has a perfect all plus staggers without gaps or resources.

But the rest of the cast does have these easy good tools, its not balanced.

If you’re landing b2 and f2 lots in the neutral the other person is not playing their game right.

If we’re talking about prepatch cw, she had so many staggers, the best j2 in the game probably, some of the best neutral buttons in the game, insane walk speed and a semi invicible launcher (b3)

If they’re playing their game right you’ll only open them up with d1’s and grabs.

Thats all im saying; he needs to get in which can be a struggle, then his neutral buttons are worse than other characters and he hasnt got mix.

Do explain. How to initate vs a patient player.

 

[looneyloopz]

S3-SC is not plus at any point or I don't know how to cancel. To me each one is significantly minus like I can't even poke a reversal grab.

 

[Skedar70]

But the rest of the cast does have these easy good tools, its not balanced.

If you’re landing b2 and f2 lots in the neutral the other person is not playing their game right.

If we’re talking about prepatch cw, she had so many staggers, the best j2 in the game probably, some of the best neutral buttons in the game, insane walk speed and a semi invicible launcher (b3)

If they’re playing their game right you’ll only open them up with d1’s and grabs.

Thats all im saying; he needs to get in which can be a struggle, then his neutral buttons are worse than other characters and he hasnt got mix.

Do explain. How to initate vs a patient player.

There you go again putting excuses and throwing the "if they are playing right you can't do shit" dude you can't open up someone who is playing correctly even if you are using prepatch cw. You know what. You can stay with your "I can´t do shit mentality". That is your problem not Grodds.

 

[Wigy]

There you go again putting excuses and throwing the "if they are playing right you can't do shit" dude you can't open up someone who is playing correctly even if you are using prepatch cw. You know what. You can stay with your "I can´t do shit mentality". That is your problem not Grodds.

Maybe you’re completely correct but on paper he has nothing to land proper combo and you’ve not said anything otherwise

 

[Skedar70]

Maybe you’re completely correct but on paper he has nothing to land proper combo and you’ve not said anything otherwise

WTH do you mean by a proper combo? YOu are talking about a bunch of "proper" terms but you don't define your subjective view of what is proper.

He has an unblockable leap grab that can be meterburned to launch the opponent for a combo that leaves them restanded and vortexed. What other character has that?

 

[Marlow]

Maybe you’re completely correct but on paper he has nothing to land proper combo and you’ve not said anything otherwise

You've used the phrase "proper combo" and "proper plus frames" and "proper staggers or mixups" several times, could you explain what you mean by that?

 

[looneyloopz]

Maybe you’re completely correct but on paper he has nothing to land proper combo and you’ve not said anything otherwise

WTF is wrong with you, everything you wrote here is PROPER bullshit

 

[looneyloopz]

What the hell means "he has nothing to hit a proper combo" lol he has and he PROPERLY outdamages most of the cast on 1 bar

 

[SamZ]

WTH do you mean by a proper combo? YOu are talking about a bunch of "proper" terms but you don't define your subjective view of what is proper.

He has an unblockable leap grab that can be meterburned to launch the opponent for a combo that leaves them restanded and vortexed. What other character has that?

His vortex is fake. WHAT GOOD PLAYERS ARE LETTING GRODD LEAP FOR FREE? HIS LEAP IS DOGSHIT.