What are your opponents options for punishing it? The Warden can play that game indefinitely and he's no worse for wear - like the 1st move in tac-tac-toe.
If you want to punish it then you don't roll. But you're also taking a risk for doing so. Instead you could choose to roll away and be safe . You'd lose some stamina and you'll be out of his supposed "loop" he can't spam bash now because it has more Whiff recovery + he can't cancel it when he starts moving forward. Hell you could train yourself to react to it even. It's easier said than done though .
If you dodge the roll, the Warden can cancel and guard break. If they counter guard break, there is no punish. Its just a reset. The non-Warden can swing to punish the break, but its after a dodge making it easily parried. The Bash gives the Warden an advantage on every exchange. In a hame where almost everything is reactable, a mostly safe 50-50 with good damage is very, very strong.
By what they have done so far, it looks like that isn't the direction they are going.
If you dodge the roll? Did you mean "if you roll dodge the shoulder bash"? If so, you can't guard break someone who's in the active frames of a roll, and the gb doesn't reach a back roll anyway.
Thats easy to parry. The Bash initiation starts Warden with the advantage ALL THE TIME.
Yea
Don't argue with gav bruh, he's a proven scrub in this community that'll listen to anything someone tells him as long as they have a successful YouTube
No. They are only easy if you predict then react, same with zone attacks. Otherwise every single attack would be parried all the time.
No because there are feints that's why attacks aren't always parried. It's only hard to parry a light if you have to switch your stance and/or your opponent is laggy
What do you mean "dodge the roll" ? If you roll he can't gb you. It'll bounce off , he can't do anything if you roll. Warden can't react to your dodge and punish it because the window to cancel it now is incredibly small and you have to do it instantly. Warden is beyond fine. I can't believe you still want him nerfed ......
Yeah, feints for heavies, that's why heavies aren't always parried. Feint into light is the same thing as a raw light, if you don't fall for the feint. Lights and zone attacks are definitely parryable, but claiming they're all universally easy, especially when Warden has to cancel bash then parry is fake news.
It's hard to distinguish a feint or a light so no they work for lights too or atleast most feints. Easy is subjective but I'm sure there are plenty of wardens that are capable of parrying after canceld bash. Don't get me wrong here, I haven't played for honor since I said I would stop, so I have no idea how bad warden is but I know he was perfectly fair before they nerfed him, I'm definitely not arguing that he is op I'm just saying that lights aren't good
I'm not saying lights are great, just that they aren't easy to parry as Warden while canceling out of bash. Raw lights in neutral are definitely not challenging to parry, but that's not what I was talking about really.
I see. when warden is canceling his bash atleast when i played the game he was able to be punished if you timed it right so it's not that big of a deal.
They are when the options for them are limited. They are if you are Warden and you just canceled out of the Bash. They are because you know what is coming.
Where is our divide? If the Warden initiates with the Bash then he has the advantage unless the other player backs off.
What I want is all the dumb aspects out of the game. Right now, Bash is still a little dumb.
Really? If you can make some time, do explain...
You don't want the dumb aspects out of the game. You want a character you have issues with deleted from the game. But I won't even Argue with you at this point. Just out of curiosity are you against stuff like gb faints , soft faints and unlock stuff? because I woudlnt be surprised in the slightest if you are.