F Champ Receives Lifetime Ban, Racism in the FGC/USA, and Other Prevalent Social Discussions

[MrArcher15]

First of all, corporations and businesses have the right to associate or dissociate with whomever they like. Second of all, I draw the line on Mike Z's actions when he allegedly sexually assaulted a female co-worker. He is a potential threat to women in the fighting game community.



If Nick Cannon were white, not only would he lose the show that he created, he would be instantly fired from all companies that he worked for.

So do you support freedom of consequences or you don't? Or both? Still confused haha. I don't see how you can support freedom of consequences but also be ok with whether or not coporations and businesses dissociate with whomever they like as a result of things they say. Especially since when a lot of us tried to tell you that what you say has consequences. You told us you believe in freedom of consequences. Were you honestly aware of him allegedly sexually assaulting a female co-worker before I linked the tweets? Of course there was no way for me to know

 

[M2Dave]

The fuck does that have anything to do with white nationalism, you goof?

What does white nationalism have anything to do with this thread? Why have you been attempting to portray people who disagree with you as white nationalists?

Also the reason why I think you use far right kook talking points is because Sowell is a known far-right kook who has said things such as the Civil Rights movement and Affirmative Action has done nothing but infantilize and encourage black poverty and complacency. If you didn't know that, fine, but that's reality

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Agree or disagree, Thomas Sowell believes what he believes because he subscribes to a set of principles, not because he is a white nationalist. LOL.

So do you support freedom of consequences or you don't? Or both?

I have my own opinions which are secondary to the freedom of people or corporations to associate or dissociate with whomever they please.

 

[Tony at Home]

Wait, what's this about Mike Z sexually assaulting someone? All I heard about was the awkward twitter exchange and him just being weird in general. Did something else come out?

 

[MrArcher15]

Wait, what's this about Mike Z sexually assaulting someone? All I heard about was the awkward twitter exchange and him just being weird in general. Did something else come out?

a lot of people weren't aware, go the previous pages and see the links I posted friend. It should be a 1-3 pages back. I was trying to let people know that a lot of people getting cancelled get cancelled because of their history not because of singular comments

 

[KingHippo]

What does white nationalism have anything to do with this thread? Why have you been attempting to portray people who disagree with you as white nationalists?

The thread is about someone being racist "on accident" and facing backlash from it, I brought up how a lot of white nationalist rhetoric is laundered through dopes on the internet who are too fucking ignorant to know better, which is again being anti-black/racist unintentionally. I see the hints of it in this thread and it's deeply concerning because I do think it's ignorance but it's best people learn before somebody gets the wrong idea.

This is all a game to you, though, so you have to have the counter "tech," which is to say Marxism, I guess? That doesn't even correlate, but again, this is a game and not like a real thing with real consequences for people, so who gives a shit

Agree or disagree, Thomas Sowell believes what he believes because he subscribes to a set of principles, not because he is a white nationalist. LOL.

If your principles are "poor people suck and it's their fault they're poor," and the poor in this country are overrepresented by blacks, that's when you become the white nationalists' best friend and you're probably an asshole lol which is why Thomas Sowell only has a home on Fox News or far right nutter YouTube who cater to that base of racial division because that's all they have. I don't give a damn that he's black, he knows full well the politics of the people he engages with and is fine with it.

 

[Tony at Home]

a lot of people weren't aware, go the previous pages and see the links I posted friend. It should be a 1-3 pages back. I was trying to let people know that a lot of people getting cancelled get cancelled because of their history not because of singular comments

I'm looking back but I don't see anything about actual sexual assault still. What are the links?

 

[MrArcher15]

I'm looking back but I don't see anything about actual sexual assault still. What are the links?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278033675444260866

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1277715314382237697

 

[M2Dave]

If your principles are "poor people suck and it's their fault they're poor," and the poor in this country are overrepresented by blacks, that's when you become the white nationalists' best friend and you're probably an asshole lol which is why Thomas Sowell only has a home on Fox News or far right nutter YouTube who cater to that base of racial division because that's all they have. I don't give a damn that he's black, he knows full well the politics of the people he engages with and is fine with it.

As opposed to the principle of "America sucks because of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and transphobia" that is home on CNN and MSNBC.

This conversation is going nowhere so I will ask you the same question that I asked Crimson, which he has yet to answer. What are your solutions or policy proposals to any of the problems that have been identified in the 50 pages of this thread, particularly pertaining to impoverished African-American communities?

 

[KingHippo]

Methinks it would be important to not conflate the terms 'Sexual Assault' and 'Sexual Harassment.' Both shitty things, one is a very serious crime

 

[Tony at Home]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278033675444260866

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1277715314382237697

I'm aware of these, but you said sexual assault. Racist jokes and sexual harassment is awful. But sexual assault is a different category of offense.

Sexual assault is really, really fucking bad. Like not "go to HR and get fired bad" but "you need to go to jail" bad. You can't just throw that around like that fuck man

 

[KingHippo]

As opposed to the principle of "America sucks because of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and transphobia" that is home on CNN and MSNBC.

This conversation is going nowhere so I will ask you the same question that I asked Crimson, which he has yet to answer. What are your solutions or policy proposals to any of the problems that have been identified in the 50 pages of this thread?

You think I watch that garbage? Like I said though, this is all a game, you're fundamentally unserious, so it really doesn't matter what I think because it's a question in bad faith.

That said, it's far past time we redistribute the wealth in this country back into social services, raise wages, and ensure that housing and healthcare are fundamental human rights that no one loses just because they can't pay for it. And if we abolished the police, I wouldn't mind that all that much either.

 

[MrArcher15]

I'm aware of these, but you said sexual assault. Racist jokes and sexual harassment is awful. But sexual assault is a different category of offense.

Sexual assault is really, really fucking bad. Like not "go to HR and get fired bad" but "you need to go to jail" bad. You can't just throw that around like that fuck man

Wait hold up I wasn't the one who said he sexually assaulted someone. Can you show me where? Not tryna be mean I just looked back to where I linked the tweets I didnt say that. Although I misread your question and responded as if I did. Dave said sexual assualt, but im sure he mispoke like i thought i did

 

[mrapchem]

About Nick Cannon and Cancel Culture, this article perfectly summarizes my thoughts:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nick-cannon-s-show-got-canceled-that-s-not-cancel-culture-it-s-consequences/ar-BB16Ngat?ocid=msedgntp

 

[M2Dave]

That said, it's far past time we redistribute the wealth in this country...

Thank you for sharing. We fundamentally disagree. I believe in equality of opportunity. You essentially believe in Marxism.

 

[KingHippo]

When the top 1% holds 80% of the wealth, remember, it was totally fair and not at all through wage theft and fundamental disregard for the workers!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/affordable-housing-coronavirus-rent-evictions_n_5f0ccf72c5b6310dc157414b

Totally normal, biggest possible fair. Great country.

 

[Sage Leviathan]

Hippo said "...redistribute the wealth in this country back into social services, raise wages, and ensure that housing and healthcare are fundamental human rights that no one loses just because they can't pay for it"

and this gentleman David said "I disagree."

 

[M2Dave]

When the top 1% holds 80% of the wealth, remember, it was totally fair and not at all through wage theft and fundamental disregard for the workers!

Except the fact that poor people in America are the richest poor people in the world. For the policies and system which you are advocating, poor people have barely anything to eat in most countries.

Every time I have requested solutions from leftists in this thread I have received the same Marxist solutions.

 

[KingHippo]

You asked me what I would do to fix the country, a country in which people on a minimum wage job cannot pay the rent nor afford healthcare. America is the wealthiest nation in the world, but that wealth goes upwards, not downwards, but you're right that even those at the bottom benefit off the products made by labor shipped out to other countries and done in horrid conditions with slave wages, which in turn affects that nation's poor. The answer is a shotgun: one barrel to take out the billionaires strangling the world's economy, the other to break the chain of slave labor that these companies abuse in order to fill the world with their products.

America is a deeply evil nation that polices the world through sanctions, political subterfuge masquerading as justice, and supplying weapons and training to deranged fascists and military juntas. If you wanted me to fix the world, I'd get rid of America to start, but we're not having that conversation.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

As opposed to the principle of "America sucks because of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and transphobia" that is home on CNN and MSNBC.

This conversation is going nowhere so I will ask you the same question that I asked Crimson, which he has yet to answer. What are your solutions or policy proposals to any of the problems that have been identified in the 50 pages of this thread, particularly pertaining to impoverished African-American communities?

America DOES suck because of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and transphobia, and I don't need CNN or MSNBC to tell me that. I've fucking lived it.

You are way to quick to disregard the life experience of the people you're determined to condemn.

 

[ChaosTheory]

America is a deeply evil nation...

If you wanted me to fix the world, I'd get rid of America to start, but we're not having that conversation.

Oh. I see now.

You don't have a manifesto written somewhere do you?

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Oh. I see now.

You don't have a manifesto written somewhere do you?

Lol. You're not seeing what he's saying.

@KingHippo , I feel you to an extent. No one gets a blind eye turned to the amount of damage they've done to the civilized world like America does.

 

[KingHippo]

Oh. I see now.

You don't have a manifesto written somewhere do you?

If a manifesto is a single post-it that has "Stop meddling in foreign elections" written on it, then yes, I've written that at one time

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

If a manifesto is a single post-it that has "Stop meddling in foreign elections" written on it, then yes, I've written that at one time

"Socialism is the worst thing ever!"
::Ignores all the South American socialist countries and otherwise that we've interfered with to make it impossible for the rest of the world to set a successful precedent::
::Calls everyone else Socialists regardless::
::Watches America carpet-bomb Middle East to death for 20 years for the purposes of a forever war while completely ignoring Saudi Arabia, but somehow is more concerned with "radical liberal ideologues" than the precedents of tyranny the nation of Free Speech is responsible for::
::The debate rages on::



Been listening to this for almost 20 years.
Countless people tell me I'm wrong but can't ever prove it.
Countless people think they're the first person to make their argument that everyone in their shoes makes.
No one wants to admit they're wrong, even they're being told by people who've lived lives counterweighted to their arguments that they're off the mark.

C'est la vie.

 

[ItsYaBoi]

Except the fact that poor people in America are the richest poor people in the world. For the policies and system which you are advocating, poor people have barely anything to eat in most countries.

Every time I have requested solutions from leftists in this thread I have received the same Marxist solutions.

Just like your stance on freedom of consequence - which you've been shown to be a hypocrite on - you've shown your ass here too.

You said - "This conversation is going nowhere so I will ask you the same question that I asked Crimson, which he has yet to answer". I'm pretty sure Crimson suggested these same 'Marxist' (fucking LOL) solutions, as touched upon in the above quote "Every time I have requested solutions from leftists in this thread I have received the same Marxist solutions".

You can't just say that nobody is posting any solutions because they're solutions that you disagree with. May I also add that you haven't given a good counter argument, if any counter argument AT ALL really, against said solutions - except saying "bu bu bu bu but Marxism". Please have some talking points of your own that aren't regurgitated from the excrement of Fox News.

 

[Juggs]

There’s a lot of posts and topics ITT that I want to respond to and address when I get the chance. Hopefully I will be able to this weekend. Fairly... interesting takes overall.