F Champ Receives Lifetime Ban, Racism in the FGC/USA, and Other Prevalent Social Discussions

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Anyone wanna talk about Pizza Gate and how its increasingly obvious that the USA is like the Gotham of Earth?

Edit: Except with more child sexing

Kinda feel like that would necessitate it's own individual Conspiracy thread, so that the dark and spooky doesn't get mixed up with the news feed when people start yelling.
I'd be down for that, though. Don't think PizzaGate itself really happened (I can't hear/read it mentioned without thinking of the laser tag place from Breaking Bad), but I despise the Clintons and believe in the trail of bodies behind them. The actual history under the inner workings of the country is terrifying and disgusting, but makes one nervous of what to publically say about it when it feels like you're always being watched.

 

[Marinjuana]

I'm sympathetic with almost any line of thinking that seeks to reduce our military budget or to repurpose those funds. Unfortunately, you won't find a more beautiful and harmonious example of bipartisanship then you'll find with Republicans and Democrats when it comes to supporting bloated military budgets along with a foreign policy of imperialism and endless war. We need better representation on this issue at all levels of federal government.

 

[ItsYaBoi]

Yeah I personally think that batshit insane stuff such as Pizza Gate and QAnon have no room in this thread.

 

[M2Dave]

@M2Dave While youre laughing, give honest thought to the fact that we have elements of socialism in our society at present. Police, Firefighters, road repair, public schooling, these are paid for as a collective.

Correct, but certain social programs cost a lot more than others. You obviously need far less money to fund firefighters. police departments, and instruction workers than you need to provide health insurance to 331 million Americans. Every social program has a price tag, which is reflected in taxes. Although I subscribe to the philosophy that less government is usually better government, I do not believe that government is incompetent as most conservatives do. I merely think that people ought to rely on the free market before they rely on the government, particularly in a country with a population of 331 million.

1. Invest in public schools and infrastructure, particularly in inner cities
2. Strengthen social safety nets
3. Universal Healthcare
4. Increase the bargaining power of workers by strengthening collective bargaining and grow workers’ ability to join together to increase their power to negotiate fair wages and benefits
5. Increase minimum wage
6. Require employers to report to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) what they pay their employees by job category, sex, race, and ethnicity.

Some of the policies that you and @Lt. Boxy Angelman are proposing would have a negative effect on poor people. For example, if you increase the minimum wage of a fast food worker to $15 an hour, the business will react accordingly and either increase prices which may directly affect the worker or cut reduction in force which may result in unemployment. This article examines the pros and cons of increasing the minimum wage. The ramifications are more complex than people would like to believe.

If culture is causing White Americans to be over represented at leadership levels, how do we go about correcting that? What cultural norms are causing that in the first place? How did those norms form, and how do we go about changing those?

Needless to say, my solutions are different from the socialist policies that have been proposed. In my opinion, you create a system that is free of discrimination and full of equality of opportunity, which in theory already exists but further ameliorations must be made. You do nothing else. You respect the choices and decisions that people make in a free society.

I also believe that less government in the following areas will benefit minorities and poor people of all races.

• Eliminate the War on Drugs and liberate all non-violent drug offenders
• Eliminate the War on Poverty and focus less on welfare and more on job training and obtaining skills
• End foreign interventionism
• End the death penalty
• Keep the government out of marriage
• Keep the government out of abortion

 

[CrimsonShadow]

The better question is, why would any person choose a career or job that pays less on average? Thomas Sowell tackles this question and provides evidence. The following are some of the factors.

1. Culture. Different cultures have different values which are reflected in career choices. Asian Americans are over-represented in STEM. Jewish Americans are over-represented in finance. African Americans are over-represented in the NBA and the NFL. Persian Americans are over-represented in business. White Americans are over-represented in leadership positions. And so on.

2. Immigrants. Some people who have recently relocated to the United States accept low-paying jobs or careers before learning English and/or a skill. I am an example.

3. Women. Some women may choose careers that have extended vacation days because of childbearing. Women may also work part time for the same reason, which means that they earn less money.

4. Adolescents. Similar to immigrants, some teenagers who have just graduated from high school may accept low-paying jobs or careers before learning a skill. Teenagers may also work part time while attending a college or university, which means that they earn less money.

The evidence is boring and offers no political expediency to politicians. The narrative that America is a racist, sexist, and xenophobic country that oppresses everyone except rich white men is more attractive, particularly to the media. Blaming every inequity on discrimination is a massive oversimplification.



How would you solve the wage gap between White and Black Americans?

And where does this ‘culture’ come from. It just suddenly appeared out of nowhere?

Believe it or not, my mom’s parents didn’t want to be athletes. They would have been fine being engineers or executives but they were not allowed to. Do you not understand this?

There are 450 atheles in the NBA. There are 42 million African-Americans living here. You can’t honestly think that we’re underrepresented in business leadership because we all want to play basketball. Wtf kind of nonsense is that?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Correct, but certain social programs cost a lot more than others. You obviously need far less money to fund firefighters. police departments, and instruction workers than you need to provide health insurance to 331 million Americans. Every social program has a price tag, which is reflected in taxes. Although I subscribe to the philosophy that less government is usually better government, I do not believe that government is incompetent as most conservatives do. I merely think that people ought to rely on the free market before they rely on the government, particularly in a country with a population of 331 million.



Some of the policies that you and @Lt. Boxy Angelman are proposing would have a negative effect on poor people. For example, if you increase the minimum wage of a fast food worker to $15 an hour, the business will react accordingly and either increase prices which may directly affect the worker or cut reduction in force which may result in unemployment. This article examines the pros and cons of increasing the minimum wage. The ramifications are more complex than people would like to believe.



Needless to say, my solutions are different from the socialist policies that have been proposed. In my opinion, you create a system that is free of discrimination and full of equality of opportunity, which in theory already exists but further ameliorations must be made. You do nothing else. You respect the choices and decisions that people make in a free society.

I also believe that less government in the following areas will benefit minorities and poor people of all races.

• Eliminate the War on Drugs and liberate all non-violent drug offenders
• Eliminate the War on Poverty and focus less on welfare and more on job training and obtaining skills
• End foreign interventionism
• End the death penalty
• Keep the government out of marriage
• Keep the government out of abortion

Why end the death penalty?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

The narrative that America is a racist, sexist, and xenophobic country that oppresses everyone except rich white men is more attractive, particularly to the media. Blaming every inequity on discrimination is a massive oversimplification.

When my parents were born, they could not eat at the same restaurant as you, attend the same school, visit a public swimming pool or hold the same jobs. Their parents could not VOTE.

Tell me how that’s ‘attractive’ in any way.

It’s our country’s history. And the more you speak, the more your obvious ignorance of the nation’s pedigree becomes glaringly apparent.

 

[Marlow]

Some of the policies that you and @Lt. Boxy Angelman are proposing would have a negative effect on poor people. For example, if you increase the minimum wage of a fast food worker to $15 an hour, the business will react accordingly and either increase prices which may directly affect the worker or cut reduction in force which may result in unemployment. This article examines the pros and cons of increasing the minimum wage. The ramifications are more complex than people would like to believe.

I agree with some of this, although the article you linked even stated studies that tended to show that the most popular consequence was that consumers would bear the brunt of the change through increased prices, although the price increase was normally fairly modest, something like 4%.

In that case I'm fine with it, I think the pros outweigh the cons. Prices might go up, but I'm fine paying a little bit more for a hamburger if it means workers are paid a fair wage. It might also mean there are fewer lower wage jobs, but there are other policies that can be used to offset that kind of job loss, and it's also why I support a strong welfare system in case people do lose their jobs and need time to get back on their feet.

As I said before, all of these policy decisions are going to result in both positive and negative consequences. I'm not naive about that.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Correct, but certain social programs cost a lot more than others. You obviously need far less money to fund firefighters. police departments, and instruction workers than you need to provide health insurance to 331 million Americans. Every social program has a price tag, which is reflected in taxes. Although I subscribe to the philosophy that less government is usually better government, I do not believe that government is incompetent as most conservatives do. I merely think that people ought to rely on the free market before they rely on the government, particularly in a country with a population of 331 million.



Some of the policies that you and @Lt. Boxy Angelman are proposing would have a negative effect on poor people. For example, if you increase the minimum wage of a fast food worker to $15 an hour, the business will react accordingly and either increase prices which may directly affect the worker or cut reduction in force which may result in unemployment. This article examines the pros and cons of increasing the minimum wage. The ramifications are more complex than people would like to believe.



Needless to say, my solutions are different from the socialist policies that have been proposed. In my opinion, you create a system that is free of discrimination and full of equality of opportunity, which in theory already exists but further ameliorations must be made. You do nothing else. You respect the choices and decisions that people make in a free society.

I also believe that less government in the following areas will benefit minorities and poor people of all races.

• Eliminate the War on Drugs and liberate all non-violent drug offenders
• Eliminate the War on Poverty and focus less on welfare and more on job training and obtaining skills
• End foreign interventionism
• End the death penalty
• Keep the government out of marriage
• Keep the government out of abortion

I agree with your bullet points. And you're right; raising wages incentives companies to cut elsewhere. The company I worked for in New York did precisely that in the two years it transitioned from $11/hr to $15/hr; it shaved nearly all of its part-time that who weren't people from work release or welfare programs from whom they received write-offs on their taxes, and took the liberty of downsizing its' full-time staff as well.

Now, does that unfortunate situation and the countless other ones like it across America fall on the workers for needing higher wages to survive? Or on the companies and their corporate structure itself for being incentivized to take better care of their wallets than their staffs?

 

[Marlow]

Why end the death penalty?

I think it's inhumane. Also I believe it disproportionately affects minorities, where if you're a minority you're more likely to receive the death penalty for a similar crime as someone who is White. I don't have a data link at the moment to back that up though.

I also believe that less government in the following areas will benefit minorities and poor people of all races.

• Eliminate the War on Drugs and liberate all non-violent drug offenders
• Eliminate the War on Poverty and focus less on welfare and more on job training and obtaining skills
• End foreign interventionism
• End the death penalty
• Keep the government out of marriage
• Keep the government out of abortion

I agree with all of these except focusing less on welfare. I also don't think the things you list here and the things I list need to be mutually exclusive.

 

[M2Dave]

Why end the death penalty?

I believe the government has no right to terminate anyone's life.

When my parents were born, they could not eat at the same restaurant as you, attend the same school, visit a public swimming pool or hold the same jobs. Their parents could not VOTE.

Tell me how that’s ‘attractive’ in any way.

It’s our country’s history. And the more you speak, the more your obvious ignorance of the nation’s pedigree becomes glaringly apparent.

And when my parents were born, their rights were also infringed because they identified as Roman-Catholic in a Marxist regime, the same ideology that you dared to defend in this thread as "Western Marxism". The more you speak the more obvious your ignorance of world history becomes glaringly apparent. But I am not interested in name calling, victimization, and emotional responses. Provide solutions as everyone else is doing now.

 

[Marlow]

@M2Dave

How would you address things like housing discrimination or pay discrimination? Do you think things like the Wealth Gap and Income Inequality will just fix itself over time, or do you think there is something the government should do more or less of to try and fix this?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I believe the government absolutely has the right to terminate the life of someone who commits heinous crimes, it disproportionately effecting minorities is a racism problem, but not an inherent issue with the death penalty imo. It makes sense for the death penalty to have stricter requirements but I think it definitely has a place, some people waive their human rights based on their actions.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

I believe the government absolutely has the right to terminate the life of someone who commits heinous crimes, it disproportionately effecting minorities is a racism problem, but not an inherent issue with the death penalty imo. It makes sense for the death penalty to have stricter requirements but I think it definitely has a place, some people waive their human rights based on their actions.

This is precisely how I feel, although I won't fault anyone for believing it should be a No across the board. And the legislation drives me absolutely insane. If Person A's case is still up in there and it's possible they can be innocent, but Person B murders me and my imaginary wife in cold blood in a pro-death state and wears our heads as hats with no sympathy or emotion whatsoever, that painfully obvious case can't be touched until the first one is put to rest? That's silly as hell.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

This is precisely how I feel, although I won't fault anyone for believing it should be a No across the board. And the legislation drives me absolutely insane. If Person A's case is still up in there and it's possible they can be innocent, but Person B murders me and my imaginary wife in cold blood in a pro-death state and wears our heads as hats with no sympathy or emotion whatsoever, that painfully obvious case can't be touched until the first one is put to rest? That's silly as hell.

New Mexico abolished the death penalty in 2009, so I count my blessings that the man who shot up my school killed himself because if he didn't I would not be able to live with the fact that my tax money is contributing to him being able to live in prison. Fuck no.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

New Mexico abolished the death penalty in 2009, so I count my blessings that the man who shot up my school killed himself because if he didn't I would not be able to live with the fact that my tax money is contributing to him being able to live in prison. Fuck no.

I would feel the same way in your situation. I've never been crazy about the "if they're in jail for life, they suffer longer" philosophy. Then I'd just feel shittier for bringing even more suffering into the equation, instead of just being done with the evil son of a bitch and moving forward with life.

 

[Professor Oak]

@M2Dave I value people over money. There lies our difference. I would personally rather the whole country be middle class than ANYONE be poor. I know the pain of hunger, hot summers without air, the grief of death because of the fear of medical bills, the narrowing tunnel of options to better yourself, I know these feelings and sympathize more with people going through them than with those causing it. Capitalism isnt all bad, but it kinda seems to me like people would rather have a luxurious life than a thriving community.

Logically, I do see that our 300+ million population would be expensive to insure, but my small town police force has a swat van that hasnt been used. Surely we arent the only town like this, and surely thats expensive. Not as costly, sure, but unnecessary expense, surely we can agree. That is fine with you, but paying more for people to not die or suffer isnt? Or you simply want to hoard your coins like a Dragon gaurding treasure? Well, todays society is breeding some Dragon-slayers, it would seem.

Also, money is not a natural thing, it is an idea. At one point, if you wanted a shirt, you made it or someone made it for you. No money involved, simply parts and labor. Pricing things and accepting the cost has muddied things. Medicine is expensive because one large conglomerate controls pricing. Like diamonds, they actually have little rarity or difficulty in obtaining that warrants the price. Simply a monopoly. Deconstructing or restructuring that as well as the insurance companies may also make Universal Healthcare more appealing to the money minded.

Surgery and other skilled medical services are an area where the time to learn and train are factored into cost, so I do recognize that, but it goes back to money being relative to me. Sure, Doctors deserve high salaries, but people deserve doctors. Im not sure if my point is clear at this point, maybe someone smarter than me can pick up my pieces. Basically, I dont care how much it costs, every action has a reaction, I want to be on par with other First World Countries.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I would feel the same way in your situation. I've never been crazy about the "if they're in jail for life, they suffer longer" philosophy. Then I'd just feel shittier for bringing even more suffering into the equation, instead of just being done with the evil son of a bitch and moving forward with life.

I don't have the ability to play devil's advocate for him or people like him so I won't try, they deserve the Dark Raiden "there are fates worse than death treatment", but lets be clear, they don't deserve to live.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

And when my parents were born, their rights were also infringed because they identified as Roman-Catholic in a Marxist regime, the same ideology that you dared to defend in this thread as "Western Marxism". The more you speak the more obvious your ignorance of world history becomes glaringly apparent. But I am not interested in name calling, victimization, and emotional responses. Provide solutions as everyone else is doing now.

I’m not commenting on prejudice in your parents’ country or posting that your people are poorer than the rest of Europe because they just want to play soccer. Note the difference.

 

[Professor Oak]

I don't have the ability to play devil's advocate for him or people like him so I won't try, they deserve the Dark Raiden "there are fates worse than death treatment", but lets be clear, they don't deserve to live.

Did he leave any note or have any clear motive? Thats wild as hell to me even though we hear about it in the news often. Im sorry that you have that experience in you.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Did he leave any note or have any clear motive? Thats wild as hell to me even though we hear about it in the news often. Im sorry that you have that experience in you.

He killed himself when the cops showed up because he is a gigantic pussy. He had a flash drive on him with a document that described in detail his plan, that he hated himself, hated everyone else, and hated life. And I'd like to offer a slightly different perspective to one of the points you made involving the example of the dormant SWAT van. It's excessive until it's not, I would feel the same about spending a lot of money on that type of thing if I hadn't experienced the things I have. Obviously we are both just making what we can out of what we have seen, so I respect your point of view.

 

[M2Dave]

...but I'm fine paying a little bit more for a hamburger if it means workers are paid a fair wage.

Neither do I. The issue is not what we pay, but what they pay. If workers in the service sector earn $15 an hour, food prices will go up, which will affect the workers more than middle-class people like you and me.

@M2Dave

How would you address things like housing discrimination or pay discrimination? Do you think things like the Wealth Gap and Income Inequality will just fix itself over time, or do you think there is something the government should do more or less of to try and fix this?

What do you mean by "housing discrimination"?

From my research, if you account for factors such as experience, status in the company, and hours worked per week, the pay gap between men and women of all races almost vanishes.

Likewise, although the wage gap between white and black households is conspicuous, if you analyze the household income of a married white and black couple, a gap is still present, but the number is significantly lower.

I have to do more research on the wealth gap and income inequality to make predictions for the future.

I’m not commenting on prejudice in your parents’ country or posting that your people are poorer than the rest of Europe because they just want to play soccer. Note the difference.

First of all, even if you did, I would genuinely find your comment hilarious because I give you the benefit of the doubt that you have no malicious intentions. And perhaps one of the factors for poverty for some Eastern European boys could be that they have delusions about becoming the next Messi or Ronaldo?

Second of all, I was not judging anybody. I was interpreting data that I have read from a book by a renowned black economist, whose arguments I was summarizing.

 

[ItsYaBoi]

I’m not commenting on prejudice in your parents’ country or posting that your people are poorer than the rest of Europe because they just want to play soccer. Note the difference.

It's classic deflection, bringing up something completely unrelated to the point of racism within the US.

 

[Professor Oak]

He killed himself when the cops showed up because he is a gigantic pussy. He had a flash drive on him with a document that described in detail his plan, that he hated himself, hated everyone else, and hated life. And I'd like to offer a slightly different perspective to one of the points you made involving the example of the dormant SWAT van. It's excessive until it's not, I would feel the same about spending a lot of money on that type of thing if I hadn't experienced the things I have. Obviously we are both just making what we can out of what we have seen, so I respect your point of view.

Anyone who guns down unarmed people is a fucking piece of shit, and I think they should be tortured, then killed.

Yeah, and Im not totally against us having it, Im more saying that we already spend A LOT on things that we dont always use or need for exactly the reason you say, we may need it. Im saying I dont mind spending even more than that on things we currently do need.

 

[M2Dave]

At one point, if you wanted a shirt, you made it or someone made it for you.

This statement is a more accurate indicator of the difference between me and you. I also value people over money which is why I believe that you ought to be compensated for making the shirt if you choose to engage in a voluntary transaction. No person or entity has the right to take away your creation without your consent.