Question - Cyber Sub-Zero Ever Get That Feeling of Deja Vu? TYM hasn't learned

[Lokheit]

I admit I'm bias against the uber-fridge because I never liked that "change for the sake of change" part of the story and after suffering for almost a year how 2 variations of real SZ couldn't play with the big boys, seeing this one again and looking so much better (and even with some stuff that was proposed as Cryo or UB buffs) irks me a bit.

But even then, honestly what he can do is leagues above any GM setup.

I look at CSZ setups and it looks like playing a RNG game with the odds clearly against you. There is always a guess component in fighting games, but when you have to guess between so many options inside options in the same mixups and on top of that, with such a small reaction window between each one you could fail even if you guessed right, it's no longer about your skill as a player.

I know there are gaps, some stuff is unsafe, etc... I've been labbing him a bit and saw them, but he has so many tools he would be excellent even without the crazy stuff, so adding it, once he gets you it's welcome to death lottery world.

Maybe I'm wrong, I hope to be wrong, maybe in a matter of days we all see clearly the counters to this, who knows, but so far it's not looking pretty.

 

[Tony at Home]

Isn't throwing you into the ice bomb a predictable throw? Can't you just block to guess high or low, and if you see him grab, press the appropriate tech?

Haven't tried this out yet, but this is my gut instinct on what answer I'd look for.

That being said, the lowverhead is stupid. I wish NRS could make true setup characters. They always seem to default on :

1. Put something on screen that goes low or OH
2. Use move that hits opposite.

 

[the.hamburglar]

Isn't throwing you into the ice bomb a predictable throw? Can't you just block to guess high or low, and if you see him grab, press the appropriate tech?

Haven't tried this out yet, but this is my gut instinct on what answer I'd look for.

That being said, the lowverhead is stupid. I wish NRS could make true setup characters. They always seem to default on :

1. Put something on screen that goes low or OH
2. Use move that hits opposite.

Then NRS nerfs that because everyone start bitching and then they give that same set up to 4 other characters after said problem

 

[Sultani]

you, the other three guys who did the same, and anyone else from the future planning to quote me about Cyrax not being broken need to understand I didn't say a damn thing about Cyrax being broken

And I never said you did. So....

 

[CompleteMadness]

To be honest.... I find csv his easiest variation to beat. Lmao

 

[Sultani]

he does have those unblockable resets lmao, he has a low bomb and an overhead and cybersub cant pull the bomb unless hes in the corner

And he sets this up so that you are forced to block it when? never.

from an air net allowing you to fall, you don't have to block it. You have three other options. And even if you don't choose those three, it's still not unblockable.

On a knockdown finisher into low bomb, tech roll, delayed wakeup, or armor. If you don't choose any of those three options, it's still not unblockable.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

And I never said you did. So....

nah, you only quoted me going on some big ass rant about how his resets aren't guaranteed, and I need to understand that its not MK9, and a bunch of other shit

 

[the.hamburglar]

And he sets this up so that you are forced to block it when? never.

from an air net allowing you to fall, you don't have to block it. You have three other options. And even if you don't choose those three, it's still not unblockable.

On a knockdown finisher into low bomb, tech roll, delayed wakeup, or armor. If you don't choose any of those three options, it's still not unblockable.

not to offend you but i dont get what your getting at in the first sentence? Also have you been corner "unblockable bomb", you can armor out. you have options . from what it seems, you play cyrax and i think his teleport is armored. try that. grammar is shit i know

 

[Sultani]

nah, you only quoted me going on some big ass rant about how his resets aren't guaranteed, and I need to understand that its not MK9, and a bunch of other shit

uh.. correct? You said something about anything less than 100% resets and whatnot. I explained to you why it's actually alright. I didn't say you said he was broken.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

not to offend you but i dont get what your getting at in the first sentence? Also have you been corner "unblockable bomb", you can armor out. you have options . from what it seems, you play cyrax and i think his teleport is armored. try that. grammar is shit i know

i think he means that you always have options other than trying to hard block the mix-up, like Takedas hard-to-blockable you can jump out, and different shit, depending on the set-up.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

uh.. correct? You said something about anything less than 100% resets and whatnot. I explained to you why it's actually alright. I didn't say you said he was broken.

i responded to some stupid ass post about a character being fine because he doesn't kill you in 1 touch with guaranteed resets


like, is that the measure now? Really?





I don't need a measure of MKX Cyrax I never once said squat about him not being alright

 

[TheKingsAutopsy]

not to offend you but i dont get what your getting at in the first sentence? Also have you been corner "unblockable bomb", you can armor out. you have options . from what it seems, you play cyrax and i think his teleport is armored. try that. grammar is shit i know

You're right, Cyrax's ex teleport not only escaped CSZ's setup but also launches for full combo.

 

[Sultani]

not to offend you but i dont get what your getting at in the first sentence? Also have you been corner "unblockable bomb", you can armor out. you have options . from what it seems, you play cyrax and i think his teleport is armored. try that. grammar is shit i know

I just meant that I know he has the B2 and low bomb setup. But there isn't a situation where he can use that setup where you need to block it. And even if you do choose to try and block it, it's not unblockable.

I bet Leatherface and Bo Rai Cho players are loving the focus on triborg. Just sitting over there like... "sweet no one is paying attention to my 60% combos or my 50% restands that leave me +999999999999 into guaranteed mixups."

 

[Sultani]

i responded to some stupid ass post about a character being fine because he doesn't kill you in 1 touch with guaranteed resets


like, is that the measure now? Really?





I don't need a measure of MKX Cyrax I never once said squat about him not being alright

Well then I misunderstood you. I inferred that you meant his resets aren't OK just because they don't do 100%. Apparently that's not what you meant. so, apologies.

 

[Tony at Home]

Wait, why is the deja vu regarding the community?

Feels like the repeat here is NRS releasing insanely poorly tested DLC.

I mean, remember Injustice?....there's kinda a pattern here.

 

[SaltShaker]

I bet Leatherface and Bo Rai Cho players are loving the focus on triborg. Just sitting over there like... "sweet no one is paying attention to my 60% combos or my 50% restands that leave me +999999999999 into guaranteed mixups."

Glad to know I'm not the only one with 20/20 vision.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Well then I misunderstood you. I inferred that you meant his resets aren't OK just because they don't do 100%. Apparently that's not what you meant. so, apologies.

no problem, just a bit cringey when a whole cyborg army came in and started quoting me about something i never said telling me to lab the character and whatever else

look at this guys response for example, seriously

http://testyourmight.com/threads/ever-get-that-feeling-of-deja-vu-tym-hasnt-learned.59092/page-2#post-2048068

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Glad to know I'm not the only one with 20/20 vision.

you mean that 20/20/20/20/20 vision






cyberize yourself

 

[TheGoldenJew]

Def broke, fox is maining him, hes doomed, gg

 

[x TeeJay o]

If people used practice mode, Mileena wouldn't have been nerfed

+2 is just too OP BREH

 

[Sultani]

no problem, just a bit cringey when a whole cyborg army came in and started quoting me about something i never said telling me to lab the character and whatever else

look at this guys response for example, seriously

http://testyourmight.com/threads/ever-get-that-feeling-of-deja-vu-tym-hasnt-learned.59092/page-2#post-2048068

That's a little over the top, but he made the same inference I did. I'd be lying if I said I didn't understand why.

 

[x TeeJay o]

Bro get the fuck off it Cyrax doesn't need needed his resets for one have to be frame perfect two you can back dash or armor out or fuzzy three he has literally dick all the punish most the cast his combos require great screen spacing and awareness as well as some tight timing to link anything past 35 percent. He has no safe reversal his pressure game is garbage out side of 212 which has trex limb syndrome. Gtfo

Can someone translate this to english please?

 

[CompleteMadness]

Watch out for leatherface csv is easy to beat. But I think lf is the best out of the kp2 characters, just wait and see.

 

[the.hamburglar]

I just meant that I know he has the B2 and low bomb setup. But there isn't a situation where he can use that setup where you need to block it. And even if you do choose to try and block it, it's not unblockable.

I bet Leatherface and Bo Rai Cho players are loving the focus on triborg. Just sitting over there like... "sweet no one is paying attention to my 60% combos or my 50% restands that leave me +999999999999 into guaranteed mixups."

Exactly like fucking acidic alien is getting 77% combos and here we are, arguing about CSZ who barely does 30 per bnb

 

[CompleteMadness]

Exactly like fucking acidic alien is getting 77% combos and here we are, arguing about CSZ who barely does 30 per bnb

Lmao exactly, I really think that csv is easy to beat. In fact I'd even say his easiest variation by far to beat.... But anyway this thread in cancerous, I'm gonna go back to netflix.