Darkseid - General Strategies and Discussion

[geezy89]

What are yall doing to punish air escapes? I figured out yesterday that after MB stomp or b1u3 MB, you can dash forward and f23 to punish them as they land from an air escape. You have to turn around before inputting f23 if they do an up escape, but you have time to react to which kind of escape they do, it's not tough. Only problem is that if they don't escape at all you get nothing.

I've noticing the same thing when I play people who air escape a lot. For b1u3, you can dash forward and as you mentioned have enough time to punish either variation of the air escape with f23. However if they don't air escape, you still have time to do a d1df2 as you dash under them (although I still need practice on this to do it more consistently). As for MB stomp, I find going for a jump foward 2 2df2 combo pretty much covers all of their options. They don't bounce as high in the air after MB stomp so it's a lot more difficult to catch them when dashing under if they choose not to air escape. Sucks to give up damage but when I'm getting air escaped every time it's better than nothing.

 

[MK Peanuts]

I've noticing the same thing when I play people who air escape a lot. For b1u3, you can dash forward and as you mentioned have enough time to punish either variation of the air escape with f23. However if they don't air escape, you still have time to do a d1df2 as you dash under them (although I still need practice on this to do it more consistently). As for MB stomp, I find going for a jump foward 2 2df2 combo pretty much covers all of their options. They don't bounce as high in the air after MB stomp so it's a lot more difficult to catch them when dashing under if they choose not to air escape. Sucks to give up damage but when I'm getting air escaped every time it's better than nothing.

Sounds pretty good, I'll give it a shot!

 

[DrZmmm]

So, what's everyone doing when in footsies/up close? I need some new ideas badly.

 

[M2Dave]

So, what's everyone doing when in footsies/up close? I need some new ideas badly.

We all do. LOL.

@EMPEROR_KNICKS , what is your performance like with post patch Darkseid? In many match ups, I am doing better with my one week Red Hood than my Darkseid. I am very close to switching.

 

[kcd117]

We all do. LOL.

@EMPEROR_KNICKS , what is your performance like with post patch Darkseid? In many match ups, I am doing better with my one week Red Hood than my Darkseid. I am very close to switching.

Very true. People probably figured the matchup by now. Been having more success with sub-zero and brainiac than with darkseid lately.

 

[haketh]

We all do. LOL.

@EMPEROR_KNICKS , what is your performance like with post patch Darkseid? In many match ups, I am doing better with my one week Red Hood than my Darkseid. I am very close to switching.

It's actually due to how bad he is up close & them making Ankh safer on block that I think Fate has the advantage now. Fate can stay at a mid range & just beat us up bad with better neutral.

 

[FLA_Anarquisto]

I believe the top 10 Darksied narrative has to be put to an end. The characters design is polarizing, surely. Indeed, he has great damage and HTB setups, but abyssmal neutral and unsafe string and hot ass for normals. I've been using other characters as well and having the ability to be safe and having tools in neutral levitates the headaches.

I'm certain Darkseid mains, who have used other characters know what I mean by feeling relieved to have some options. He's damage is good, but other characters seem capable or do comparable damage with better tools/options.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

Lolol everyone sounds like me from two months ago right now. Where's P2W when you need him to call everyone else downplayers too lul.

 

[TheRealOnlyGoonie]

I CURRENTLY HAVE DARKSEID ON THE SAME TIER AS SWAMP THING. MAYBE EVEN LOWER.

 

[ienjoywinning]

What are darkseids worst mus?

 

[kcd117]

What are darkseids worst mus?

Flash is his worst imo. Supergirl, Aquaman, Black Adam and Superman are bad matchups as well. I think he does good against the rest of the cast.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

We all do. LOL.

@EMPEROR_KNICKS , what is your performance like with post patch Darkseid? In many match ups, I am doing better with my one week Red Hood than my Darkseid. I am very close to switching.

Im still doing very well, nothing has really changed and imo i think darkseid is top 5 as well.

 

[DrZmmm]

I'll believe he's top 5 when I see him top 8 in a tourney as a main.

I think he's just outside top 10

 

[Slavaslave]

Im still doing very well, nothing has really changed and imo i think darkseid is top 5 as well.

Do you have any suggestions for setups now that people are fuzzying the basics? I'm finding it hard to open people up, and I get punished hard after pretty much anything.

Trait teleport stomp/b1 is getting blocked consistently, same with air teleport setups. I feel like I'm missing something with this character.

Also, good showing at home town heroes dude

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

Do you have any suggestions for setups now that people are fuzzying the basics? I'm finding it hard to open people up, and I get punished hard after pretty much anything.

Trait teleport stomp/b1 is getting blocked consistently, same with air teleport setups. I feel like I'm missing something with this character.

Also, good showing at home town heroes dude

Thanks man, and you can not fuzzy darkseids mixups, since you can delay the low and they are almost the same speed, if they are fuzzing it by going down then up, just delay instant low stomp, or do a neutral jump 2 or 3. If your mixups are getting blocked constantly, you are being predictable.

 

[MK Peanuts]

Also, good showing at home town heroes dude

Were the matches from Hometown Heroes yesterday recorded anywhere?

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

Were the matches from Hometown Heroes yesterday recorded anywhere?

ON twitch and i think it might be on youtube.

 

[MK Peanuts]

ON twitch and i think it might be on youtube.

Thanks, found it: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/166707179

 

[Slavaslave]

Thanks man, and you can not fuzzy darkseids mixups, since you can delay the low and they are almost the same speed, if they are fuzzing it by going down then up, just delay instant low stomp, or do a neutral jump 2 or 3. If your mixups are getting blocked constantly, you are being predictable.

Thanks for the advice, I hadn't thought of delaying the IA stomp.

 

[Paul the Octopus]

Thanks man, and you can not fuzzy darkseids mixups, since you can delay the low and they are almost the same speed, if they are fuzzing it by going down then up, just delay instant low stomp, or do a neutral jump 2 or 3. If your mixups are getting blocked constantly, you are being predictable.

@EMPEROR_KNICKS What do you think are his worst match ups after the patch? Are there any that you feel like you need to switch characters for?

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

@EMPEROR_KNICKS What do you think are his worst match ups after the patch? Are there any that you feel like you need to switch characters for?

His 2 worst mus are aqua and wowo

 

[Invincible Salads]

Thanks for the advice, I hadn't thought of delaying the IA stomp.

its a bit of conditioning tho.


also, my problem with darkseid is that a lot of his trait setups outside the corner arent all that real, especially the ones where you teleport in after sending trait. kinda wish they couldnt pushblock the parademon

also theres a whole bunch of different ways to mix, ji3/ji2 throw, ji3/ji2 delay stomp , ji3/ji2 b1u3, and if u think they're gonna press buttons in between to blow you up. mixup do ji2 22~mb knee, leaving you plus 2 for a throw, another d1,a mix attempt, etc. or hitconfirm 22 into mbb3 for a full combo.

 

[Eldriken]

Thanks, found it: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/166707179

I can't seem to find where his matches start. >.>

 

[MK Peanuts]

I can't seem to find where his matches start. >.>

Knicks vs Cossner is at 25:00 (switches from Superman to Darkseid later in the set). Knicks vs Kevo is at 46:30. Knicks vs Bdon is right at the one hour mark. Ideally whoever runs the NRS twitch would have made these all highlights so that we don't have to go looking through a five hour archive, but what can you do.

 

[Eldriken]

Knicks vs Cossner is at 25:00 (switches from Superman to Darkseid later in the set). Knicks vs Kevo is at 46:30. Knicks vs Bdon is right at the one hour mark. Ideally whoever runs the NRS twitch would have made these all highlights so that we don't have to go looking through a five hour archive, but what can you do.

Thanks. =)