Cassie Cage General Discussion Thread

[Nerobianco]

I'm watching CEO all day and all I see is Cassie. We might not like it, but we are so dead. This character is held at gun point right now.

 

[Vslayer]

I'm watching CEO all day and all I see is Cassie. We might not like it, but we are so dead. This character is held at gun point right now.

I saw Kollector win against her we’re good xD

 

[Nerobianco]

I mean yeah, random Cassie players are dying very fast. Though her presence is very prominent. Same as Jacquie and Sonya. I feel Tanya vibes from this tournament. Cassie turned out to be extremely popular character.
Where are the Scorpions when you need them ?

 

[Vslayer]

I mean yeah, random Cassie players are dying very fast. Though her presence is very prominent. Same as Jacquie and Sonya. I feel Tanya vibes from this tournament. Cassie turned out to be extremely popular character.
Where are the Scorpions when you need them ?

Don’t worry the Geras and Scorps will be a plenty.

 

[lionheart21]

I mean yeah, random Cassie players are dying very fast. Though her presence is very prominent. Same as Jacquie and Sonya. I feel Tanya vibes from this tournament. Cassie turned out to be extremely popular character.
Where are the Scorpions when you need them ?

Random Cassie: "Wait, why am I not winning? Fuck this character."

Cassie community: "You wanted an easy win? Oh,, bless your heart."

 

[SubZeroIce]

I’m not downplaying, I was pointing out weaknesses people are too lazy to figure out. If you’d lab this you would know that if the enhanced glow kick hits it doesn’t switch sides. Also just don’t give her space in the corner and keep neutral jumping since her u3 is low to the ground. Stop crying and lab, ya damn scrub.

The fumes.

Pointing out her weaknesses as if it doesn't change anything that I said. She's gonna hit with that nerf hammer. Period. I can't wait.

And it's not even about switching sides since my comment is exclusively related to the move on on block. (No one mentions safety when referring to moves on hit).

 

[lionheart21]

The fumes.

Pointing out her weaknesses as if it doesn't change anything that I said. She's gonna hit with that nerf hammer. Period. I can't wait.

And it's not even about switching sides since my comment is exclusively related to the move on on block. (No one mentions safety when referring to moves on hit).

Yeah, and to make those strings safe, you need meter, which is something that Cassie needs to rely on in order to do any real damage. Any decent Cassie will always have at least one bar of offensive meter on them at all times. Try playing Cassie without meter and then get back to us on how OP she is. Or, just look at the video that @Vslayer posted, the one where it actually states how to counter Cassie.

But if you want, then by all means, explain to us what you feel needs to be nerfed about Cassie.

Although I did see in one of your previous posts, I did see that you said that one of her strengths is her Fatal Blow being an overhead. Dude, speaking as someone who's been referred to by @Vslayer as of the members to get advice from when it comes to her Fatal Blow, I don't even know where to begin here. By many accounts, Cassie's Fatal Blow is one of the worst in the game. Even if its an overhead, it also has barely any combo potential and is punishable on block. It's also distance-based, so unless you have focused as much on using that move in the lab as I have, knowing which distance you need to use to catch your opponent off-guard or to use it as an escape tool or just to use as a mindgame, you're gonna have a bad time. And even I chalk up a lot of the times that I've successfully used it as being up to the opponent not expecting it since nobody really expects a Cassie player to actually use her Fatal Blow.

 

[Vslayer]

The fumes.

Pointing out her weaknesses as if it doesn't change anything that I said. She's gonna hit with that nerf hammer. Period. I can't wait.

And it's not even about switching sides since my comment is exclusively related to the move on on block. (No one mentions safety when referring to moves on hit).

It did change a lot actually I told you how to counter her. You can’t D1 slide your way into Elder God bruh.

Can’t wait to still kick ass with her even after they potentially change her.

 

[Immortal]

The fumes.

Pointing out her weaknesses as if it doesn't change anything that I said. She's gonna hit with that nerf hammer. Period. I can't wait.

And it's not even about switching sides since my comment is exclusively related to the move on on block. (No one mentions safety when referring to moves on hit).

Lets wait and see how Sub-Zero gonna survive the patch. Character which by definition is just... well braindead.

Also you seem hella sure Cassie gonna get nerfed, imagine that she doesn't get touched or only slightly - like a nerf on her low gunshot frames. Thats gonna be funny.

 

[seanpon]

Cassie was very prominent so far at CEO. It's pretty obvious too why... The character is definitely top tier and probably the best in the game. Cassie for sure needs to be nerfed, the character does everything well and has the best tools in the game. Its not fair at all comparing Cassie's tools, footsies, and safety compared to a character like Kano. The difference is night and day.

 

[Vslayer]

Cassie was very prominent so far at CEO. It's pretty obvious too why... The character is definitely top tier and probably the best in the game. Cassie for sure needs to be nerfed, the character does everything well and has the best tools in the game. Its not fair at all comparing Cassie's tools, footsies, and safety compared to a character like Kano. The difference is night and day.

Kano has bad buttons, but people still win with him. Just like Kotal or other low tier characters. There’s always a way to exploit a character’s weaknesses and if you don’t know the MU, you’re getting killed for sure. Cassie is not the best in the game, Erron black is, by a lot.

People are using Cassie cause Sonic is hyping her up, that’s how it works. When people were putting her mid tier no one touched her, they all played Sonya and Erron.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Only Cassie player in in Demigod rank here, coming through thnx guise

 

[SubZeroIce]

Lets wait and see how Sub-Zero gonna survive the patch. Character which by definition is just... well braindead.

Also you seem hella sure Cassie gonna get nerfed, imagine that she doesn't get touched or only slightly - like a nerf on her low gunshot frames. Thats gonna be funny.

Imagine being this out of touch with the game to think Sub-Zero is in the most need of nerfs. If that's all they give Cassie (which they won't), it will be a huge upset for the game's future in general.

Also uplaying Sub-Zero and downplaying Cassie? In this climate? Sheesh.

It did change a lot actually I told you how to counter her. You can’t D1 slide your way into Elder God bruh.

Can’t wait to still kick ass with her even after they potentially change her.

No it really didn't lmao. Don't know if you've been watching CEO but I'm sure you'd need more than 5 hands to count the number of Cassies and pocket Cassies lmao.

Also surprised you just learned about using the safe amplified kick to leave the corner trick. They did it a bunch at CB and I've experienced it a dozen times online. Perhaps you shoulda labbed a little more earlier, could've saved you some games

 

[lionheart21]

Imagine being this out of touch with the game to think Sub-Zero is in the most need of nerfs. If that's all they give Cassie (which they won't), it will be a huge upset for the game's future in general.

Also uplaying Sub-Zero and downplaying Cassie? In this climate? Sheesh.


No it really didn't lmao. Don't know if you've been watching CEO but I'm sure you'd need more than 5 hands to count the number of Cassies and pocket Cassies lmao.

Also surprised you just learned about using the safe amplified kick to leave the corner trick. They did it a bunch at CB and I've experienced it a dozen times online. Perhaps you shoulda labbed a little more earlier, could've saved you some games

But what would you change about her? You're saying she should be nerfed, but aren't saying what you feel should be nerfed about her.

 

[SubZeroIce]

But what would you change about her? You're saying she should be nerfed, but aren't saying what you feel should be nerfed about her.

-Her staggers need to be nerfed hardcore. Having some of the safest mids and overheads is unnecessary.
-Her low gunshot needs more recovery
-Her air gunshot (the best aerial projectile in the game) needs more recovery, one bullet and a smaller gap between the air and the ground.
-Overall frame re-evaluation (I'm not a specialist on this but several of her strings need to be re-thought of)
-Less pushback on B243, F2,1+3, the FB, standing gunshot, etc. She doesn't need to gain 3 inches everytime she does a string.

These are all suggestions. I have no credentials, this is just my opinion. Even if they implemented half of these, Cassie would still be top 10. That's how ridiculous this character is. Her, Sonya & Erron were all given every single tool whereas every other character has very obvious weaknesses.

And low damage potential in the corner is NOT an Achilles heel.

 

[Edlaw]

Slower DB1 for a faster recovery DB3 and everyone is happy

 

[Edlaw]

@SubZeroIce How about a 21 frame startup overhead like D'vorah? At least Sub can special cancel to make it safe right?

 

[SubZeroIce]

@SubZeroIce How about a 21 frame startup overhead like D'vorah? At least Sub can special cancel to make it safe right?

No he can't.

 

[Hor_PeT]

Let's nerf top tiers and create new top tiers!
I think NRS will do that way to make the game more interesting and "meta shift" - regardless of being fair or not. We see this before.

Hopefully they will be more careful than in the past and do not destroy characters.

 

[Vslayer]

-Her staggers need to be nerfed hardcore. Having some of the safest mids and overheads is unnecessary.
-Her low gunshot needs more recovery
-Her air gunshot (the best aerial projectile in the game) needs more recovery, one bullet and a smaller gap between the air and the ground.
-Overall frame re-evaluation (I'm not a specialist on this but several of her strings need to be re-thought of)
-Less pushback on B243, F2,1+3, the FB, standing gunshot, etc. She doesn't need to gain 3 inches everytime she does a string.

These are all suggestions. I have no credentials, this is just my opinion. Even if they implemented half of these, Cassie would still be top 10. That's how ridiculous this character is. Her, Sonya & Erron were all given every single tool whereas every other character has very obvious weaknesses.

And low damage potential in the corner is NOT an Achilles heel.

-what’s wrong with good staggers? F4 is dirty but even if they make it -2 it won’t change much. F41 is -7 on block so you can poke her out of her turn or grab her.
-low gunshot is already punishable on block if she’s close and so is the amp version
-air gunshot is fine
-maybe they can make more stuff unsafe on block
-why do they need less pushback when F2 is a high and can be ducked and punished and the 3 in b243 is also a high and can be ducked and punished?

All she needs is a bit of frame data adjustment. But let’s be real Erron and Sonya need it more. Once they buff low tiers everything will sort of fall into place and if they nerf too much then we’ll just get new too tiers and go through this bs all over again.

It’s not because a character is being used a lot that they need to be nerfed to hell and back. As I said Sonic is hyping her up. And if you knew all the Sub zeros I get in ranked, then that should also be indicative of who needs toning down. Sub’s getting adjustments too, don’t kid yourself.

 

[SpecialOne88]

Every time sonic hypes up a character, everyone wants it nerfed into oblivion and it dies the next patch.
People go way overboard with nerf suggestions that would completely ruin the point of even playing the character.

Instead of destroying her entire frame data, I think nrs should look into the most powerful move in her kit, imo, the ex glow kick.
Its kind of dumb that she can make all strings safe and have a mixup on top of that, between ending the string and canceling into kick from b24, f41 and f34.
Turning the move unsafe makes it pointless, so maybe less pushback or a flawless gap somewhere could be good place to start.

 

[Immortal]

Imagine being this out of touch with the game to think Sub-Zero is in the most need of nerfs. If that's all they give Cassie (which they won't), it will be a huge upset for the game's future in general.

Also uplaying Sub-Zero and downplaying Cassie? In this climate? Sheesh.


No it really didn't lmao. Don't know if you've been watching CEO but I'm sure you'd need more than 5 hands to count the number of Cassies and pocket Cassies lmao.

Also surprised you just learned about using the safe amplified kick to leave the corner trick. They did it a bunch at CB and I've experienced it a dozen times online. Perhaps you shoulda labbed a little more earlier, could've saved you some games

How about you read what i wrote before reply. I didn't say Sub-Zero needs nerfs i said he is by definition a braindead character and lets see if he gonna get nerfed or not.

-Her staggers need to be nerfed hardcore. Having some of the safest mids and overheads is unnecessary.
-Her low gunshot needs more recovery
-Her air gunshot (the best aerial projectile in the game) needs more recovery, one bullet and a smaller gap between the air and the ground.
-Overall frame re-evaluation (I'm not a specialist on this but several of her strings need to be re-thought of)
-Less pushback on B243, F2,1+3, the FB, standing gunshot, etc. She doesn't need to gain 3 inches everytime she does a string.

These are all suggestions. I have no credentials, this is just my opinion. Even if they implemented half of these, Cassie would still be top 10. That's how ridiculous this character is. Her, Sonya & Erron were all given every single tool whereas every other character has very obvious weaknesses.

And low damage potential in the corner is NOT an Achilles heel.

The fuck? You want to totally destroy the character. Which would lead only to tier shifts, something we had more then enough in previous MK games.

Cassie gameplay is based around great mid and staggers. Thats like her core gameplan. The only thing that can be slightly nerfed is her low gunshot and she will be fine. Top tier fine. There is no guess with her, unlike with for example Sonya.

Most people don't even think now she's is absolutely the best in the game, she's top tier just not above all top tiers like you're trying to tell us. There are many other characters who have good mids and mid strings. like Jacqui ect.

Cassie is a complete character, which needs only slight adjustment to be fine and more characters brought to her level. Not the other way around with nerfing to the ground which leads only to tier shifts and nothing more.

You're also basing your opinion on what? That Sonic and Gross make her look broke? They're both great players and probably would make Kotal look broke so thats that.

I've seen probably way more Geras players at CEO then anything and Sonya, Jacqui, Liu Kang and even reborn Scorpion wasn't a rare sight.

 

[Hor_PeT]

How about you read what i wrote before reply. I didn't say Sub-Zero needs nerfs i said he is by definition a braindead character and lets see if he gonna get nerfed or not.



The fuck? You want to totally destroy the chatracter. Which would lead only to tier shifts, something we had more then enough in previous MK games.

Cassie gameplay is based around great mid and staggers. Thats like her core gameplan. The only thing that can be slightly nerfed is her low gunshot and she will be fine. Top tier fine. There is no guess with her, unlike with for example Sonya.

Most people don't even think now she's is absolutely the best in the game, she's top tier just not above all top tiers like you're trying to tell us. There are many other characters who have good mids and mid strings. like Jacqui ect.

Cassie is a complete character, which needs only slight adjustment to be fine and more characters brought to her level. Not the other way around with nerfing to the ground which leads only to tier shifts and nothing more.

You're also basing your opinion on what? That Sonic and Gross make her look broke? They're both great players and probably would make Kotal look broke so thats that.

I've seen probably way more Geras players at CEO then anything and Sonya, Jacqui, Liu Kang and even reborn Scorpion wasn't a rare sight.

Scar was easily mixed up with Sub's OH even offline.
Nerf that shit lol. Sub is no fundamental brainded go back to mkx.

Oh I just sounded like a salted complainer. It does not fit to me.

 

[ChadHaveMercy]

Welp.... Cass got her first major!

 

[vcuzzo23]

Best character in the game.. TOP 1.... really GOOD character!!