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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
All juggles are +4 to +6 if they end in nutpunch.
Oh so this is the reason why F4 is guaranteed pressure after nut punch (and throw is pretty good too). I did not understand why it is so powerful when 7F move can trade or 6F move can win against F4 lol.
And I wanted to bait the D1 with walk back and all my pressure was gone as I got D4 or even more slower things in my face by mashers.

Well that makes my approach to the game play pretty different.

Thanks guys.

Is it 4xxBD3 ender more plus than B24xxBD3? Or who knows? :)
I do not think I can measure it.
 

sars

Apprentice
Oh so this is the reason why F4 is guaranteed pressure after nut punch (and throw is pretty good too). I did not understand why it is so powerful when 7F move can trade or 6F move can win against F4 lol.
And I wanted to bait the D1 with walk back and all my pressure was gone as I got D4 or even more slower things in my face by mashers.

Well that makes my approach to the game play pretty different.

Thanks guys.

Is it 4xxBD3 ender more plus than B24xxBD3? Or who knows? :)
I do not think I can measure it.
Yeah throws not guaranteed they can still suck it, but they have to respect the F4 so it makes it easier
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
Do I miss something or her U2 simply can not be converted into any damage?
Wake up or flawless block counter.

I saw this in the other thread:

Wake-up Combos: (need to work on those)
U2 * B2,4 (delay the B2, 4 just a tad) + low gunshot AMP * 2,1 + nut kick AMP

But in the practice room the opponent (male/female) flies too far I can not connect anything even after dash up.

I do not remember to any U2 combos in tournaments. Is it real?
 

sars

Apprentice
Do I miss something or her U2 simply can not be converted into any damage?
Wake up or flawless block counter.

I saw this in the other thread:

Wake-up Combos: (need to work on those)
U2 * B2,4 (delay the B2, 4 just a tad) + low gunshot AMP * 2,1 + nut kick AMP

But in the practice room the opponent (male/female) flies too far I can not connect anything even after dash up.

I do not remember to any U2 combos in tournaments. Is it real?
I’ve never used an U2 in a match but you can get a dash B24, the timing is strict, and it might be character specific. Also after a flawless block you can get a dash 2 times f2 depending on the move you flawless block, some moves you can’t get nothing. We def have one on the worst U2 in the game though.
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
I’ve never used an U2 in a match but you can get a dash B24, the timing is strict, and it might be character specific. Also after a flawless block you can get a dash 2 times f2 depending on the move you flawless block, some moves you can’t get nothing. We def have one on the worst U2 in the game though.
Flawless block counter U2 which bothers me if she lacks that as I really want to develop to that way and in certain match ups the threat of flawless block punish is very useful (it is still there just with not that impact).
Dash 2 times into F2? No time for that... but yes it needs to be practiced properly. It is a bit annoying that this move is not consistent either.

Mid screen at least. Close to the corner she can probably convert it (at worst 1 1 1 1 1 1111 :) )

Thanks.

I will develop flawless block skill regardless just maybe it will be more rewarding with other character.
 

sars

Apprentice
Flawless block counter U2 which bothers me if she lacks that as I really want to develop to that way and in certain match ups the threat of flawless block punish is very useful (it is still there just with not that impact).
Dash 2 times into F2? No time for that... but yes it needs to be practiced properly. It is a bit annoying that this move is not consistent either.

Mid screen at least. Close to the corner she can probably convert it (at worst 1 1 1 1 1 1111 :) )

Thanks.

I will develop flawless block skill regardless just maybe it will be more rewarding with other character.
You can do 2 quick dashes f2 db1 after a flawless block U2 on certain moves. I labbed it after I saw gross do it in some match. It is move specific though and not character.
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
You can do 2 quick dashes after a flawless block U2 on certain moves. I landed it after I saw gross do it in some match. It is move specific though and not character.
What was that move?
I will try it too if I am able to do it. Then I can look for other moves.

I tried with Jaqui's B34 and she was pretty close after 1 dash into F2 maybe it is possible with 2 dash into.F2 as well just I did not think about 2 dashes lol.
 

sars

Apprentice
What was that move?
I will try it too if I am able to do it. Then I can look for other moves.

I tried with Jaqui's B34 and she was pretty close after 1 dash into F2 maybe it is possible with 2 dash into.F2 as well just I did not think about 2 dashes lol.
It has 2 be quick. You need to buffer the first dash before the and of the flip kick. I did it on garas jumpin 1 f212. If you block the the jumping high and than F2 crouching you can flawless block the 1 and combo. I also did it on frost, but I forget what move. If you can’t figure it out I can post a video later so you can see it
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
What was that move?
I will try it too if I am able to do it. Then I can look for other moves.

I tried with Jaqui's B34 and she was pretty close after 1 dash into F2 maybe it is possible with 2 dash into.F2 as well just I did not think about 2 dashes lol.
Matchup knowledge will be what really defines Cassie. Several gaps she can FB then just punish without using resources. Like Jacqui b34, can be interrupted w 111, no FB is needed. I believe FB changes that string from +4 to -1.
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
Matchup knowledge will be what really defines Cassie. Several gaps she can FB then just punish without using resources. Like Jacqui b34, can be interrupted w 111, no FB is needed. I believe FB changes that string from +4 to -1.
I knew you will say this.
I rather fuzzy flawless block B34 and B32. I do not like eating full combo where I do not need. :)
But yes with Cassie the interrupt might be worth it more. :)

I will try the combo though.
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
I start liking Cassie Cage.
I had a feeling she is too calculated and cold and lack of the bumm moments by Krushing blows, etc. however it can be excited if the opponent and the game is excited enough.

I would lie if I said I like her more than Scorpion, yet but now she is definitely my second favorite character after I tried many of them (Erron Black was the 2nd but I do not like him anymore he is too oppressive).

I have not much experience with her yet. I played against a pretty good stat Sonya player with much more matches and win ratio than me and I thought I would be bodied but simply not as he did not really played footsies lol. Just attack, attack, poke , poke, etc. :D
Well Sonya can do it that way.
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
I knew you will say this.
I rather fuzzy flawless block B34 and B32. I do not like eating full combo where I do not need. :)
But yes with Cassie the interrupt might be worth it more. :)

I will try the combo though.
I mean I’m not wrong lol. If they are full comboing you from b32 they aren’t hit confirming. They are committing to grease kick or clinch which is punishable. Just making people aware that this string in particular you can interrupt without flawless block for very little risk. You should be aware of all your options.
 

lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
I start liking Cassie Cage.
I had a feeling she is too calculated and cold and lack of the bumm moments by Krushing blows, etc. however it can be excited if the opponent and the game is excited enough.

I would lie if I said I like her more than Scorpion, yet but now she is definitely my second favorite character after I tried many of them (Erron Black was the 2nd but I do not like him anymore he is too oppressive).

I have not much experience with her yet. I played against a pretty good stat Sonya player with much more matches and win ratio than me and I thought I would be bodied but simply not as he did not really played footsies lol. Just attack, attack, poke , poke, etc. :D
Well Sonya can do it that way.
Cassie's definitely not for everyone. You're not gonna be rushing anyone down with her since she's more of a methodical character and I can see why that won't appeal to some, not to mention how she's not gonna be doing the damage of a Sonya or Baraka. Her neutral tools and her pressure game are very good and a patient player can make her look very formidable.
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
I mean I’m not wrong lol. If they are full comboing you from b32 they aren’t hit confirming. They are committing to grease kick or clinch which is punishable. Just making people aware that this string in particular you can interrupt without flawless block for very little risk. You should be aware of all your options.
Yes you are right.
 

Hor_PeT

Kombatant
Cassie's definitely not for everyone. You're not gonna be rushing anyone down with her since she's more of a methodical character and I can see why that won't appeal to some, not to mention how she's not gonna be doing the damage of a Sonya or Baraka. Her neutral tools and her pressure game are very good and a patient player can make her look very formidable.
Well Cassie's pressure with F4/B2../F2/F2 1+3 is way enough for me I am not that pressure mentality. Other play is footsies and find and force mistakes from the opponent. I am okay with her zoning as well. I do not use that much tough. I check when I can but do not crazy about that.

Scorpion fits me a bit better as I do not have projectile but can whiff punish from more range.
Not the exact same playstyle as they have other tools (but both of them have good footsies). I will find out who I like better. Probably not bad playing both and maybe they can complement each other in certain situations (but I do not prepare to tournament though just having fun). :)

I like that playstyle as it forces me to get to know the match ups better. With a 50/50 or rush down characters you might ignore the opponent play unless it counters hard.
But probably that's why it is a difficult pick.

Fortunately the game is pretty new and there is time to learn the match ups. I jumped into MKX and IJ2 1-1,5 years after launch it was much more difficult to play online.

Today I was bodied by a Johnny Cage but I do not know anything about his moves. Tomorrow I will lab Johnny Cage - at least the basics. :)
The exact match up knowledge and exp will come with the matches.
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
I watched it this morning, he said her F4 was cheap if I remember correctly. I like how every youtuber is coming out and finally realizing Cassie’s potential after we have been saying it since launch LOL
Probably lot of players see the weaknesses (bad U2, relatively bad Corner damage outside of few strings, relatively bad fatal blow) more.
The more I play with her (it is just few days) the more I see her shining in lot of situations where with other character it was struggle or difficult.

Probably yes but did you know guys that if F4 trades with a poke/jab Cassie can combo from that (easy B24)?
I just realized today when I heard about Jacqui's F3 in a tournament match lol.

It opens really good mind games in opponent -1 -2 -3 stagger situations where a potential trade can happen (most common: -2 and 7F D1 S1 can trade with F4)... I already know many match ups where I will be much more brave to challenge the staggers with F4 (and do not force D1 to win it for just a hit advantage).

I tried what happened if Jacqui's F3 and Cassie's F4 traded lol. It looked neutral for both girls lol.
 
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sars

Apprentice
Probably lot of players see the weaknesses (bad U2, relatively bad Corner damage outside of few strings, relatively bad fatal blow) more.
The more I play with her (it is just few days) the more I see her shining in lot of situations where with other character it was struggle or difficult.

Probably yes but did you know guys that if F4 trades with a poke/jab Cassie can combo from that (easy B24)?
I just realized today when I heard about Jacqui's F3 in a tournament match lol.

It opens really good mind games in opponent -1 -2 -3 stagger situations where a potential trade can happen (most common: -2 and 7F D1 S1 can trade with F4)... I already know many match ups where I will be much more brave to challenge the staggers with F4 (and do not force D1 to win it for just a hit advantage).

I tried what happened if Jacqui's F3 and Cassie's F4 traded lol. It looked neutral for both girls lol.
So if F4 trades you get a free combo. Or did I read that wrong
 

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
Thought I'd give my results in the 1st tournament. I went either 2-2 or 3-2. Possibly 4-2. I can't remember, but I didn't do too bad. I'm just mad that I lost to the Scorpion in searing rage when I had him. Not really mad I lost to him, it's the way I lost. The last loss I took was from the lack of Johnny Cage match exp. The matches I lost went to the very last sets. Wish I could travel offline more. I do, but not as often as I want to. Working on it. But yeah. Haven't used anyone else except for her. The good thing is I'm able to get good matches in with good players.

Got another one next weekend.
 
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sars

Apprentice
Thought I'd give my results in the 1st tournament. I went either 2-2 or 3-2. Possibly 4-2. I can't remember, but I didn't do too bad. I'm just mad that I lost to the Scorpion in searing rage when I had him. Not really mad I lost to him, it's the way I lost. The last loss I took was from the lack of Johnny Cage match exp. The matches I lost went to the very last sets. Wish I could travel offline more. Working on it. But yeah. Haven't used anyone else except for her. The good thing is I'm able to get good matches in with good players.

Got another one next weekend.
Nice. Johnny has like 3 plus 6 strings so if you don’t know how to deal with him it can be a pain. He only has one string that starts with a mid I believe. All the others are highs and lows. My first tournament ever is gonna be EVO. I’m pretty excited, I always wanted to go and now I get to.
 
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JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
Nice. Johnny has like 3 plus 6 strings so if you don’t know how to deal with him it can be a pain. He only has one string that starts with a mid I believe. All the others are highs and lows. My first tournament ever is gonna be EVO. I’m pretty excited, I always wanted to go and now I get to.
Nice! I hope I can go to EVO this year. I've got some match up notes on him. Just need to play him more. Wish folks wouldn't downplay this character. She's really good imo. The match ups I'm seeing I don't seem accurate except for the ones on Twitter. I don't think she loses to Scorpion, Baraka, nor Jade. PPL have their opinions though.

Also I hate fighting Erron Black online. Erron in high ping is terrible. Especially in WFi. You can't block or react to F4 almost at all. Best way to beat him atm is to stay close to him. I'm hoping I run into a good one so that I can play against him more too. I do think this one could be tough for her but not awful by any stretch, but it's doable based on what I've seen so far in the lab and what I tested against a few players.
 
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