Match-up Discussion Capt.O2's Lobo MU Chart [Updated 1/19\15)

[HomeLee1121]

Lobos 113

That's is what I'm saying. All of CatWoman strings except for 1 can do 46or more damage by using 1 meter. With no meter at all the highest is 38. Plus catwoman trait build up each times she hit her opponent. Cat-woman has to have the advantage here. I agree with trait lobo do more damage but not on a consistent basis like cat-woman.

Ra helios, im not trying to make fun of you from this post this is serious. Your logic is extremely flawed. If by your logic i understand with this post you're saying high damage = advantage. If that was the case in your opinion DD must be bottom 5 then and aquaman wins all his MU b/c he can get up to 50% with just 1 bar and up to 40 with no bar lol

 

[Ra Helios]

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I can name a couple. 113 grab, 12 grab, 21 low pump with trait, back 1 grab, down 1 low pump with trait, back 1 grab. Others would rely on a bounce cancel

Edit: not all of them lead to 46 though, especially the down 1 pump shot low, but it can lead to around 40 percent

Lobo 113 into grab on block is punishable because its whiff x

Dude stop, I shouldn't have to name you strings that do damage to prove anything...

Didn't you said lobo has better mix ups and hkd? Catwoman except for 1 as a starter can do 46 damage or more by using 1 meter as a 50/50 starter and trait because traits build up each time I hit.

 

[Decay]

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Lobo 113 into grab on block is punishable because its whiff x

Yeah but I only go for the grab on hit confirm lol I never grab after 113 on block

 

[Ra Helios]

Yeah but I only go for the grab on hit confirm lol I never grab after 113 on block

Yeah I know. I was just pointing that out. I was in the lab with lobo. Trying to to see what is his 50/50 mix ups options.

 

[THTB]

I agree with Lobo-GL. It would probably be even if Lobo didn't hit so damn hard. Fighting vs this character is sorta like fighting Cyrax...matchups just fucking swing because he destroys arteries whenever he touches you lol.

 

[OG Mannimal]

MUs aren't about who does more damage, it's about the tools each character has. Damage matters, yes, but Sinestro-Lex isn't 8-2 because Sinestro out damages him

 

[Yoaks]

If were're going by damage output. Than Grundy is numero uno. NRS PLZ NERF!!!

 

[Ra Helios]

Ra helios, im not trying to make fun of you from this post this is serious. Your logic is extremely flawed. If by your logic i understand with this post you're saying high damage = advantage. If that was the case in your opinion DD must be bottom 5 then and aquaman wins all his MU b/c he can get up to 50% with just 1 bar and up to 40 with no bar lol

My point is Cat-woman 50/50 mix start up has a guessing game that can lead to damage consistently. She has way more options then lobos does when it comes to the 50/50 start up game. That is my point. Lobo has less option for a 50/50 start up.


As a catwoman player I have to get the highest damage when able and do a set up properly. Also make sure I build meter by doing catdash far screen.

 

[Ra Helios]

MUs aren't about who does more damage, it's about the tools each character has. Damage matters, yes, but Sinestro-Lex isn't 8-2 because Sinestro out damages him

I know. But catwoman has better start up 50/50 options. I'm looking at it if I'm actually playing the game. The only tools I'm worry with lobo is his gun shells.

 

[Captain Oxygen]

My point is Cat-woman 50/50 mix start up has a guessing game that can lead to damage consistently. She has way more options then lobos does when it comes to the 50/50 start up game. That is my point. Lobo has less option for a 50/50 start up.


As a catwoman player I have to get the highest damage when able and do a set up properly. Also make sure I build meter by doing catdash far screen.

Ra Helios it's clear that others in this thread have had much more experience and are much more knowledgeable in the match-up, when your pointing out things like Lobos 113 -> Grab is unsafe on block and that Catwoman has better 50/50's it makes me question that you don't know the Match Up that well?

It shouldn't be a question that Lobo has more Mixups, Damage, and Space Control. He has an easier time mounting an offense that leads to more damage and has more options.

You also don't need to point out any setups that Catwoman has or what you can punish that Everyone can punish. That doesn't change the core of the matchup.

 

[HomeLee1121]

Ra Helios it's clear that others in this thread have had much more experience and are much more knowledgeable in the match-up, when your pointing out things like Lobos 113 -> Grab is unsafe on block and that Catwoman has better 50/50's it makes me question that you don't know the Match Up that well?

It shouldn't be a question that Lobo has more Mixups, Damage, and Space Control. He has an easier time mounting an offense that leads to more damage and has more options.

You also don't need to point out any setups that Catwoman has or what you can punish that Everyone can punish. That doesn't change the core of the matchup.

lol don't bother man, it is futile

 

[Ra Helios]

Ra Helios it's clear that others in this thread have had much more experience and are much more knowledgeable in the match-up, when your pointing out things like Lobos 113 -> Grab is unsafe on block and that Catwoman has better 50/50's it makes me question that you don't know the Match Up that well?

It shouldn't be a question that Lobo has more Mixups, Damage, and Space Control. He has an easier time mounting an offense that leads to more damage and has more options.

You also don't need to point out any setups that Catwoman has or what you can punish that Everyone can punish. That doesn't change the core of the matchup.

You said lobo has better mix ups. THat was the subject.

 

[THTB]

MUs aren't about who does more damage, it's about the tools each character has. Damage matters, yes, but Sinestro-Lex isn't 8-2 because Sinestro out damages him

Damage is a tool itself. Humans aren't robots, and do get read and punished or are placed into positions where they have to make risky decisions. Yes, GL can get blown up on his b13 string for a full combo, but if it's like the character is only doing like 20% with no oki setups or shit like that, the risk isn't really that great.

This was why Cyrax went from just being a top 10 character to a top 3 character. Nothing actually changed about him during that time other than the players getting more refined, and people starting to come to terms with the fact that everything you were punishable for wasn't like with any other character. It was a death sentence. His damage alone forced you to respect elements of his game that weren't that powerful otherwise, like his offense and trading projectiles.

 

[JustPressingButtons]

You said lobo has better mix ups. THat was the subject.

He does. No question about it.

If were're going by damage output. Than Grundy is numero uno. NRS PLZ NERF!!!

try superman.

Damage is a tool itself. Humans aren't robots, and do get read and punished or are placed into positions where they have to make risky decisions. Yes, GL can get blown up on his b13 string for a full combo, but if it's like the character is only doing like 20% with no oki setups or shit like that, the risk isn't really that great.

This was why Cyrax went from just being a top 10 character to a top 3 character. Nothing actually changed about him during that time other than the players getting more refined, and people starting to come to terms with the fact that everything you were punishable for wasn't like with any other character. It was a death sentence. His damage alone forced you to respect elements of his game that weren't that powerful otherwise, like his offense and trading projectiles.

I know what you mean, but comparing to cyrax is a big comparison. Seeing how he basically touch of death's you for Atleast 70%. Lobo has to work for that with the interactables and bounce cancel if he wants to reach above 60%. Which is still pretty damn good,

I agree with Lobo-GL. It would probably be even if Lobo didn't hit so damn hard. Fighting vs this character is sorta like fighting Cyrax...matchups just fucking swing because he destroys arteries whenever he touches you lol.

28% nuclear shells help too.

 

[THTB]

I know what you mean, but comparing to cyrax is a big comparison. Seeing how he basically touch of death's you for Atleast 70%. Lobo has to work for that with the interactables and bounce cancel if he wants to reach above 60%. Which is still pretty damn good,

28% nuclear shells help too.

Yeah, it's not as crazy as Cyrax, but you get what I'm saying. He just does things that hurt. >_>

 

[THTB]

Catwoman has better 50/50's

Wait...better 50/50s...?

No matter what Lobo does, it's a 50/50 into another 50/50. He's a walking 50/50 from fucking jump distance. And that's not including his command throw.

 

[Captain Oxygen]

Wait...better 50/50s...?

No matter what Lobo does, it's a 50/50 into another 50/50. He's a walking 50/50 from fucking jump distance. And that's not including his command throw.

That was me saying Helios say's CW has better 50/50... which makes no sense. There no doubt to anyone that Lobo has much better mixups.

 

[THTB]

That was me saying Helios say's CW has better 50/50... which makes no sense. There no doubt to anyone that Lobo has much better mixups.

I know, was just saying. Character fucking sucks to block lmao.

 

[Ra Helios]

That was me saying Helios say's CW has better 50/50... which makes no sense. There no doubt to anyone that Lobo has much better mixups.

We will see when decay face me and record it. Who's has the better mix up. It will definitely show what mix up is blowing up who. I'm very knowledgeable that astronaut catwoman is not a high level peak. There is no way lobo has better mix ups then Cat-woman. We will see.

 

[Mr Aquaman]

@Captain Oxygen


I also don't go by a person getting beat. I look how the Mu plays and see who has the advantage. That how I determine a Mu. I don't see it.

You said you have cw-ares as 6-4 purely based on playing breakkin wordz.

 

[Peckapowa]

be careful y'all or ra god's gonna have to have some asses waxed

 

[Ra Helios]

You said you have cw-ares as 6-4 purely based on playing breakkin wordz.

That is his main not his third choice of pick. Who r you trying to blow up here. I would play you as well but done with this game. Plus I heard both of ya have the best ares. So I play him instead. Never got to chance to play you yet and we probably never will because I don play this game like that no more. Move on to better things like street fighter until mk10 comes out

 

[HomeLee1121]

That is his main not his third choice of pick. Who r you trying to blow up here. I would play you as well but done with this game. Plus I heard both of ya have the best ares. So I play him instead. Never got to chance to play you yet and we probably never will because I don play this game like that no more. Move on to better things like street fighter until mk10 comes out

ra helios stay away from street fighter lol you don't know what a footsie is

 

[Mr Aquaman]

That is his main not his third choice of pick. Who r you trying to blow up here. I would play you as well but done with this game. Plus I heard both of ya have the best ares. So I play him instead. Never got to chance to play you yet and we probably never will because I don play this game like that no more. Move on to better things like street fighter until mk10 comes out

Lol. No comparison. Why do you feel he is as good as me? Online? lol

EDIT: As the true god of war your input now means nothing on any mu chart seeing as how you have no idea what you are looking at or talking about, see me at an offline tournament or stay down.

DOUBLE EDIT: Ultra is more unstable than injustice now lol

TRIPLE EDIT OH SNAP: I got 800$ on oxy mopping up any catwomans he comes accross, bit would go even. Unless oxygen forgot his hat, 7-3 bits favor, i like starcharger too

 

[Decay]

Lol. No comparison. Why do you feel he is as good as me? Online? lol

EDIT: As the true god of war your input now means nothing on any mu chart seeing as how you have no idea what you are looking at or talking about, see me at an offline tournament or stay down.

DOUBLE EDIT: Ultra is more unstable than injustice now lol

TRIPLE EDIT OH SNAP: I got 800$ on oxy mopping up any catwomans he comes accross, bit would go even. Unless oxygen forgot his hat, 7-3 bits favor

Not to defend breaking wordz because frankly he is a dick head, but are you saying because he's online he's not good? Just curious, I never played the dude because he rubbed me the wrong way in a party chat