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Gilbagz

Joker here~
@Gilbagz So what's up with cryomancer?
Solid mid tier. Best strengths are new d1, 10f f1 and safe burst. Old d4 game still applies. New f1 is a godlike frame trap option. Tick throw should be minimised. Works great if you have bar, but risk reward is always out of your favour. Playstyle is too inconsistent. Rather play slow chip with single hit staggers and throws. Save mix for come backs when risk reward is worth it. Or for late in sets when you havent used it much and you have data on their block patterns. Yolo mix does work but is much more effective at lower levels.

Lack of meter use in main bnbs saves bar for breaker and reaction ex slide to close gaps and start momentum. also his wake up system is great between cmd grab and slide. Cant defend both at once unless they jump to avoid. Risk reward is out of your favour, but its a mix up on blocking the wake up if they knock you down.

Tl;dr character still decent if you play him slow paced. Can play yolo mix up style but its too inconsistent for tournament. Frame trap throw with buffed f1 is thr key to success now.
 
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IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
Premium Supporter
I'm not the Worlds biggest fan of "Look, see I can do it in practice mode 10/10 times" argument unless it's for the likes of combos/blockstrings I'd need to see it done in a match that actually matters

Everything is much easier when you know what to expect
 

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
Solid mid tier. Best strengths are new d1, 10f f1 and safe burst. Old d4 game still applies. New f1 is a godlike frame trap option. Tick throw should be minimised. Works great if you have bar, but risk reward is always out of your favour. Playstyle is too inconsistent. Rather play slow chip with single hit staggers and throws. Save mix for come backs when risk reward is worth it. Or for late in sets when you havent used it much and you have data on their block patterns. Yolo mix does work but is much more effective at lower levels.

Lack of meter use in main bnbs saves bar for breaker and reaction ex slide to close gaps and start momentum. also his wake up system is great between cmd grab and slide. Cant defend both at once unless they jump to avoid. Risk reward is out of your favour, but its a mix up on blocking the wake up if they knock you down.

Tl;dr character still decent if you play him slow paced. Can play yolo mix up style but its too inconsistent for tournament. Frame trap throw with buffed f1 is thr key to success now.
what is the frame trap exactly? f1~throw?
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Why do posters seem less knowledgeable on Sub after they have viewed Brady vids?

Tom Brady is the Rush Limbaugh of fighting games and Sub Zero is his Donovan McNabb.
 
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Gilbagz

Joker here~
what is the frame trap exactly? f1~throw?
its not even a proper frame trap in regards to plus frames, but i try to set up f1 'frame trap' situations after
- d4 or d1 on hit; mix up with throw and f1. You can just take the 50/50 but the risk reward isnt worth it till you're in the corner.
- s1 staggers (mix up with 1,1,1; 1,2,3; 1, normal throw)
- f4,2 (after you've made them respect burst, or cmd grab ticks [generally much more risky])
- f1,2 (if you realise they are always trying to fuzzy the cmd grab; opens up the stagger at high negative)
- d3 on block (will lose to straight counter pokes and people mashing jab after, but you'll beat people trying to use 11f mids and slower)

In general higher neg (i.e. -5 and up) staggers work once you get them to respect the ice burst. Yeah they can armour the burst, but generally you dont need to care about the damage off the armour anymore. If you want to avoid risk, you can play purely off poke confirms, mixing throw and f1 after pokes on hit.
 
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Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
its not even a proper frame trap in regards to plus frames, but i try to set up f1 'frame trap' situations after
- d4 or d1 on hit; mix up with throw and f1. You can just take the 50/50 but the risk reward isnt worth it till you're in the corner.
- s1 staggers (mix up with 1,1,1; 1,2,3; 1, normal throw)
- f4,2 (after you've made them respect burst, or cmd grab ticks [generally much more risky])
- f1,2 (if you realise they are always trying to fuzzy the cmd grab; opens up the stagger at high negative)
- d3 on block (will lose to straight counter pokes and people mashing jab after, but you'll beat people trying to use 11f mids and slower)

In general higher neg (i.e. -5 and up) staggers work once you get them to respect the ice burst. Yeah they can armour the burst, but generally you dont need to care about the damage off the armour anymore. If you want to avoid risk, you can play purely off poke confirms, mixing throw and f1 after pokes on hit.
so the frame trap is off of a poke?
 

Gilbagz

Joker here~
so the frame trap is off of a poke?
Yes its the basic frame trap throw game that close to every character can play off a poke on hit.

He just has great mobility and pokes to play that style effectively. Along with solid meterless damage with fairly low risk, and the option of tick throw stagger mix up following it on block.
 
I really don't believe that this invalidates his (Rude's) argument. No one is ever going to option select all of the tick throws, and with his ability to spend a bar to extend damage, each throw is going to do substantial damage (though it is meter intensive). If this was the case grapplers would be useless since if I remember correctly you can OS with backdashes as well. Not to mention that if someone was even remotely consistent with this OS, Foxy would have never done so well with KL and Mileena throws since this applies for regular throws out of staggers (or jailing prepatch Tempest hat) as well.
 

Altaire

More than human, or less.
I'm five minutes in, and there's already so many irrelevant or nonsensical points that I not only don't know where to begin, but wouldn't bother if I did.

What I would like to do, however, is give props to my boy King Hippo for being singled out by the Menoutis hate before the first minute was up. I'm glad I took the time to click on this just for that alone.