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Pan1cMode

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My point is that the sub community downplays how good his tools are outside the clone. Make it seem like hes like moveless.

I have no clue how you can say hes not top 10.

Does any character have as many matchups that are arguably 7-3?
High tech Jacqui. Granted, they're 7-3 the opponent's way.
 

rubmytaco

CarriedByClone
Hey I don't play with him. I am speaking from an an opponent's point of view. Many characters do not have everything... and are competitive, but I hear you. Unbreakable especially looks very good on paper with a combo starting parry (that parries all grounded moved) and 1 Bar armored launcher, plus on block cancels... I just don't understand it but it might be because people are so used to GM.... and that makes the issues. Maybe a non GM has to start playing with him. Thanks for your reply
On paper, yes he seems pretty good. However, those positives you just mentioned come with negatives as well and although he has some great tools (armored launching slide with aura), he really struggles in neutral. I cannot stress this enough. Sub Zero has to work hard to actually get in. I'm not talking about d4xxice clone or run up string into ice clone.

The other variations don't have this. I guess the main issue is that Sub basically gets one chance to open you up and in most cases does less than 30% damage. If he fails to open you up with that attempt, it's either the opponent's turn or you just get punished. You cannot compare that to characters who actually have great strings/tools in neutral, stagger/plus strings, safe 50/50s AND only need to touch you twice (+ some chip) to end a round.
 

shura30

Shura
No wonder Brady stopped posting on TYM with the amount of flak he's getting for having AN OPINION!!!
brady stopped posting here because instead of caring and listening to the good people he just gets salty to idiots that he could/should skip entirely

but I guess it's a twitter trend to go against this community
 
Let me put it in a way you guys can understand.
NO PLUS FRAMES, instead NEGATIVE frames
NO TELEPORT in any variation (I'm looking at you Kenshi, Displacer, Jason)
NO LIMBS WITHOUTH HURTBOX
NO FAST advancer string (TREMOR and the cast)
THE SLOWEST more punishable proyectile that does no chip damage.
NO DIVEKICK
SLIDE is punishable.
ICE BURST has a gap in any String and it's a mid (Kenshi have gapless 50/50's enders witch are non punishable, like other members of the cast).
EX ICE BURST is punishable
CLONE is armor punishable besides f4 which is minus on block if not canceled
ONLY useful in the corner
THE OTHER VARIATIONS are gimmicly and not worthy due to the garbage non plus or even Zero on block strings.
The only string non negative is s4 ZERO ON BLOCK HIGH which is useless,everything else is negative or negative enough to be punishable.
b2 is punishable
WORST d2 in the game, Ferra-Thor one have the same frames and is plus on block
CRYOMANCER d2 is even WORSE LMAO.
HAVE AND ICE CLONE that gets murdered by non hurtbox strings projectiles and certain dive Kicks and teleports. SORCERER QUAN CHI and BORAICHO have no limitations in their defensive moves.

Forget What I wrote, Just go to ask NRS to give Kenshi More buffs.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Moderator
Let me put it in a way you guys can understand.
NO PLUS FRAMES, instead NEGATIVE frames
NO TELEPORT in any variation (I'm looking at you Kenshi, Displacer, Jason)
NO LIMBS WITHOUTH HURTBOX
NO FAST advancer string (TREMOR and the cast)
THE SLOWEST more punishable proyectile that does no chip damage.
NO DIVEKICK
SLIDE is punishable.
ICE BURST has a gap in any String and it's a mid (Kenshi have gapless 50/50's enders witch are non punishable, like other members of the cast).
EX ICE BURST is punishable
CLONE is armor punishable besides f4 which is minus on block if not canceled
ONLY useful in the corner
THE OTHER VARIATIONS are gimmicly and not worthy due to the garbage non plus or even Zero on block strings.
The only string non negative is s4 ZERO ON BLOCK HIGH which is useless,everything else is negative or negative enough to be punishable.
b2 is punishable
WORST d2 in the game, Ferra-Thor one have the same frames and is plus on block
CRYOMANCER d2 is even WORSE LMAO.
HAVE AND ICE CLONE that gets murdered by non hurtbox strings projectiles and certain dive Kicks and teleports. SORCERER QUAN CHI and BORAICHO have no limitations in their defensive moves.

Forget What I wrote, Just go to ask NRS to give Kenshi More buffs.
Kenshi has a gap on the Low in Possessed. Slides should be punishable. Your ice ball doesn't need to do chip when it's a full combo on trade. Not every character needs a divekick/tele. Klone is DEFINITELY not only useful in the corner. The statement that the other variations are gimmicky tells me you haven't even looked at Unbreakable. B2 being punishable is by design and shouldn't be any other way. You don't need a D2 when your S1 is a great AA. Like half of your reasonings as to why Sub Zero is "bad" is just part of the game's design.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Let me put it in a way you guys can understand.
NO PLUS FRAMES, instead NEGATIVE frames
NO TELEPORT in any variation (I'm looking at you Kenshi, Displacer, Jason)
NO LIMBS WITHOUTH HURTBOX
NO FAST advancer string (TREMOR and the cast)
THE SLOWEST more punishable proyectile that does no chip damage.
NO DIVEKICK
SLIDE is punishable.
ICE BURST has a gap in any String and it's a mid (Kenshi have gapless 50/50's enders witch are non punishable, like other members of the cast).
EX ICE BURST is punishable
CLONE is armor punishable besides f4 which is minus on block if not canceled
ONLY useful in the corner
THE OTHER VARIATIONS are gimmicly and not worthy due to the garbage non plus or even Zero on block strings.
The only string non negative is s4 ZERO ON BLOCK HIGH which is useless,everything else is negative or negative enough to be punishable.
b2 is punishable
WORST d2 in the game, Ferra-Thor one have the same frames and is plus on block
CRYOMANCER d2 is even WORSE LMAO.
HAVE AND ICE CLONE that gets murdered by non hurtbox strings projectiles and certain dive Kicks and teleports. SORCERER QUAN CHI and BORAICHO have no limitations in their defensive moves.

Forget What I wrote, Just go to ask NRS to give Kenshi More buffs.
You are right on some things here. However...

The "clone is armor punishable after strings" argument lost a lot of strength after armor launchers removal.

B2 is not punishable by many characters specially well spaced.

The fact that you mention "slide is punishable" as a drawback is laughable lol. Do you even consider slide being safe as a chance??
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Moderator
You are right on some things here. However...

The "clone is armor punishable after strings" argument lost a lot of strength after armor launchers removal.

B2 is not punishable by many characters specially well spaced.

The fact that you mention "slide is punishable" as a drawback is laughable lol. Do you even consider slide being safe as a chance??
I guess if the last character he played was Killer Frost maybe?
 

Rolling_Toaster

Praise be to Lord Brady
Let me put it in a way you guys can understand.
NO PLUS FRAMES, instead NEGATIVE frames
NO TELEPORT in any variation (I'm looking at you Kenshi, Displacer, Jason)
NO LIMBS WITHOUTH HURTBOX
NO FAST advancer string (TREMOR and the cast)
THE SLOWEST more punishable proyectile that does no chip damage.
NO DIVEKICK
SLIDE is punishable.
ICE BURST has a gap in any String and it's a mid (Kenshi have gapless 50/50's enders witch are non punishable, like other members of the cast).
EX ICE BURST is punishable
CLONE is armor punishable besides f4 which is minus on block if not canceled
ONLY useful in the corner
THE OTHER VARIATIONS are gimmicly and not worthy due to the garbage non plus or even Zero on block strings.
The only string non negative is s4 ZERO ON BLOCK HIGH which is useless,everything else is negative or negative enough to be punishable.
b2 is punishable
WORST d2 in the game, Ferra-Thor one have the same frames and is plus on block
CRYOMANCER d2 is even WORSE LMAO.
HAVE AND ICE CLONE that gets murdered by non hurtbox strings projectiles and certain dive Kicks and teleports. SORCERER QUAN CHI and BORAICHO have no limitations in their defensive moves.

Forget What I wrote, Just go to ask NRS to give Kenshi More buffs.
youre a downplaying maniac. please stop downplaying and making the sub zero community look even worse. thank you.
 

myri

Time Warrior
And people laughed when I said GM is top five with my tier list. Nice guys, very nice.

edit: Well, they disagreed because "he has so many bad matchups." He really doesn't, please stop downplaying.
 

myri

Time Warrior
Let me put it in a way you guys can understand.
NO PLUS FRAMES, instead NEGATIVE frames
NO TELEPORT in any variation (I'm looking at you Kenshi, Displacer, Jason)
NO LIMBS WITHOUTH HURTBOX
NO FAST advancer string (TREMOR and the cast)
THE SLOWEST more punishable proyectile that does no chip damage.
NO DIVEKICK
SLIDE is punishable.
ICE BURST has a gap in any String and it's a mid (Kenshi have gapless 50/50's enders witch are non punishable, like other members of the cast).
EX ICE BURST is punishable
CLONE is armor punishable besides f4 which is minus on block if not canceled
ONLY useful in the corner
THE OTHER VARIATIONS are gimmicly and not worthy due to the garbage non plus or even Zero on block strings.
The only string non negative is s4 ZERO ON BLOCK HIGH which is useless,everything else is negative or negative enough to be punishable.
b2 is punishable
WORST d2 in the game, Ferra-Thor one have the same frames and is plus on block
CRYOMANCER d2 is even WORSE LMAO.
HAVE AND ICE CLONE that gets murdered by non hurtbox strings projectiles and certain dive Kicks and teleports. SORCERER QUAN CHI and BORAICHO have no limitations in their defensive moves.

Forget What I wrote, Just go to ask NRS to give Kenshi More buffs.
I was going to write out a big thing about how dumb this post is but that would take more effort than I can be bothered to invest for no result so I'll just say it's dumb.
 

undergroundvgt

the salt shaker
what the hell is he talking about i get clobbered by sub zero cuz im a kano player. i agree the clone is overpowered subzero is over powered period, stop your blood clot crying!!!
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
still kinda dumb that variationless subzero is built entirely to be compensated for by clone.
So we're just not going to acknowledge the 8+ tick options he has in Cryomancer? Or the legit guess he puts you in with the ice sword string(f122 I think?), where you have to guess between grab and finishing the string and getting launched?
 

Rolling_Toaster

Praise be to Lord Brady
So we're just not going to acknowledge the 8+ tick options he has in Cryomancer? Or the legit guess he puts you in with the ice sword string(f122 I think?), where you have to guess between grab and finishing the string and getting launched?
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
Let me put it in a way you guys can understand.
NO PLUS FRAMES, instead NEGATIVE frames
NO TELEPORT in any variation (I'm looking at you Kenshi, Displacer, Jason)
NO LIMBS WITHOUTH HURTBOX
NO FAST advancer string (TREMOR and the cast)
THE SLOWEST more punishable proyectile that does no chip damage.
NO DIVEKICK
SLIDE is punishable.
ICE BURST has a gap in any String and it's a mid (Kenshi have gapless 50/50's enders witch are non punishable, like other members of the cast).
EX ICE BURST is punishable
CLONE is armor punishable besides f4 which is minus on block if not canceled
ONLY useful in the corner
THE OTHER VARIATIONS are gimmicly and not worthy due to the garbage non plus or even Zero on block strings.
The only string non negative is s4 ZERO ON BLOCK HIGH which is useless,everything else is negative or negative enough to be punishable.
b2 is punishable
WORST d2 in the game, Ferra-Thor one have the same frames and is plus on block
CRYOMANCER d2 is even WORSE LMAO.
HAVE AND ICE CLONE that gets murdered by non hurtbox strings projectiles and certain dive Kicks and teleports. SORCERER QUAN CHI and BORAICHO have no limitations in their defensive moves.

Forget What I wrote, Just go to ask NRS to give Kenshi More buffs.
HERE, WE, GOOOOOOOOO! Let the derp flow through you.
 

Wigy

There it is...
Lets be real here, he has so many tick grabs in so many places and timings that you're not getting this on reaction with consistency.

You got any vids of it being done in tournaments?

Ex burst/ice ball full punishes this on some of them as well i believe.

Lets not completely ignore this character cause of that fuzzy cause its nowhere near close to fullproof at all