Breakthrough - Dragons Fire a lesson to be learnt in frame data lol

[dennycascade]

I was under the impression that only worked in the corner vs some of the cast or if you time the mb wrong

From my experience bicycle kick MB and dragon kick MB will whiff on anyone crouch blocking, corner or not

 

[Wigy]

From my experience bicycle kick MB and dragon kick MB will whiff on anyone crouch blocking, corner or not

I found there was a timing to the mb for this to happen. I could be wrong, i only play him bit

 

[Wigy]

I dno man, take it up Xaraka lol

Kek

 

[dennycascade]

I found there was a timing to the mb for this to happen. I could be wrong, i only play him bit

Actually my bad, it's the bicycle kick itself that whiffs when they crouch block (at least off of f44 and f213). I think it happens when they're crouch blocking at the start of the BK animation (and why wouldn't they).

 

[NYCj360]

@GGA Dizzy and @Scott The Scot are absolutely correct. I can confirm that a 9 frame normal when done as a reversal will hit on frame 10 due to the reversal system. If liu kang is punishing -10 moves on block, then we can conclude that his b1 is actually 9 frames.

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

You know what I mean right? And your pic is very lame

 

[HazeXIII]

If you dont have a 7 frame move in your arsonal you are traped for days @xarakamaka jason can only burn a bar 2 get out of it his fastest move is 8 frames and he gets traped takeda is 8 frames 2 but for some reason they trade but its still in liu kangs favor maybe because of jasons design he is unable to trade i dont know but what i do know is if your main does not have a 7 frame move please do not use him against liu just be glad he is not kabal

 

[buyacushun]

I learned so much from this post, thank you sir

It always amazes me people still are finding this out. Not a diss on you but how awful it is to get in depth in this game. More of a blow up on NRS's part then anything. Nevermind that the frame data comes out wrong EVERY TIME (actually do mind it A LOT) but the way to read the frame data travels like a rumor through the grapevine.

Couple examples , Liu kang s1 is 100% plus 2 on block . So set Kung Lao to reversal spin and do s1 into b1 , it should trade but it won't. Then try FK MB which is plus 2 also , and again follow up with b1 it should trade but it won't . Then I spent over one hour with takeda and did FK MB into b1 until I get the perfect b1 frame and do d1 with takeda which it should lose, but it will trade at perfect frame

How do you know you're doing frame perfect b1 off of FK B? How do you know the Takeda is frame perfect? Have you tried other specials besides Kung Lao spin? Which Kung Lao spin are you using, Tempest? That move has a crazy hitbox. It seems to get active in a big area in front of it, almost instantaneously. Like some Marvel super type shit.

 

[dribirut]

I just did like 15 minutes of training trying to make B1 beat Reptile's dash after a blocked s1 or MB FK, and it just trades I never got to beat it.

So as much as it pains me to say, yeah B1 looks to b1 10f not 9.

That actually means its 9 frames if its trading..

 

[Braindead]

That actually means its 9 frames if its trading..

Dash starts in 8 frames doesn't it?

 

[aieches]

Try poking out with erron black jason and kenshi

& takeda

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

@GGA Dizzy and @Scott The Scot are absolutely correct. I can confirm that a 9 frame normal when done as a reversal will hit on frame 10 due to the reversal system. If liu kang is punishing -10 moves on block, then we can conclude that his b1 is actually 9 frames.

 

[Wigy]

By any measure, risking a full combo for a chance to trade a poke out of a infinite... Doesn't seem quite right on paper. No liu expert though.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

& takeda

Sorry Breh edited it

 

[dribirut]

how do you explain b1 trading with reptiles 7 frame dash after mb bicycle and d3 then? Its 9 frames
Edit. Complétely forgot dash is 8 frames. But d3 can only trade

 

[dribirut]

Dash starts in 8 frames doesn't it?

Nvm youre right lol

 

[Permodius]

What's wrong with having to block b1 after an enhanced bicycle kick?
This is just a frame trap, which many characters have, and is completely normal in fighting games.
Liu's pressure ends after a blocked b1/b12. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[dennycascade]

how do you explain b1 trading with reptiles 7 frame dash after mb bicycle and d3 then? Its 9 frames
Edit. Complétely forgot dash is 8 frames. But d3 can only trade

Is that dash invincible or something? Reptiles that throw out that shit meterless on wakeup always beat even my meatiest meaties. Been wondering this for a while.

 

[Atriox]

TREMOR LIVES! If this is true I'm gonna shed a tear.

 

[Temjiin]

A lot of faffing around with frame perfect this, trade that.

Does it punish -10? Yes.

Therefore it is at 9f at the slowest.

/Thread

 

[Wigy]

Isn't ex fbc on b12 + 5 or something. This would mean f213 fbc f213 fbc f213 bf2 mb b12 ex fbc f213 bf2 mb b12 exfbc f213 bf2 mb.. Etc would be a true blockstring jail, though liu would eventually drain his meter?

If so

What. The. Shit.

 

[PapaRegadetho]

If Liu Kang trully had an infinite, he'd be wining majors everywhere.

 

[Wigy]

If Liu Kang trully had an infinite, he'd be wining majors everywhere.

Its frame perfect and u can take the last hit of f213. Not to mention its only on 4-5 of the cast. Justifying things with tourney results doesn't seem to ever be a good idea.

 

[PapaRegadetho]

Isn't ex fbc on b12 + 5 or something. This would mean f213 fbc f213 fbc f213 bf2 mb b12 ex fbc f213 bf2 2 mb b12 exfbc f213 bf2 mb.. Etc would be a true blockstring jail, though liu would eventually drain his meter?

If so

What. The. Shit.

No. After the b12 bf2 mb, F213 can be interrupted on read. You can poke, armor or backdash midscreen.

 

[Wigy]

No. After the b12 bf2 mb, F213 can be interrupted on read. You can poke, armor or backdash midscreen.

Read what I typed. You've misread.