It's used for hit confirms. It can be 2-in-1'd so you can do F4xxAmerican Way and, on block, you're at -9 which is much better than just doing F4 which is -9 or DF1 which is -16. On hit you can do F4xxAWxxFlip kick for combo. It's also as I said "gimmix" where you can be blocked on American Way and still flip kick as people try to punish and still get the combo.
Seriously, she's an A. Hard to blockables, meterless 40+ percent combos in the corner, able to control the entire screen, get-in-free tool for a bar, wins most trades. Her main problems are lack of good defensive options, inability to cancel strings into rockets that can't be poked out of or full combo punished (24xxrocket, 4xxrocket, and F4xxrocket are about it), and how much she requires reads considering the huge startup and meh recovery of rockets.
Edit: American Way is pure gimmix, if you know how to counter it it is almost completely useless.
Edit 2: She's a good counter zoner. Even with Shinnok being a bad matchup for Cassie all around I haven't lost to a set against a good Shinnok in roughly 8 months this includes Zaf and, just a few days ago, Playing2Win.
Like i said in the PM very good list, id move Cyrax down a tier. Johnny Cage A-List possibly up one or have a * indicating possibility. Grandmaster is definitely very good, but as i sated id move him down one or Place and indicator that he has real issues with many characters because of the Clone glitch/Properties.
I don't. Tremor's lack of good mids, and fairly slow armor. It's debatable and many people would disagree. Crystalline should be A in my opinion. As for Blood God: He has many awful MUs. Against characters with decent pressure he has no armored moves, and does poorly against zoning
I don't. Tremor's lack of good mids, and fairly slow armor. It's debatable and many people would disagree. Crystalline should be A in my opinion. As for Blood God: He has many awful MUs. Against characters with decent pressure he has no armored moves, and does poorly against zoning
While i wouldn't go around stating X-Ray is a character's saving grace for armor, I will say that Blood God's time with zoners is actually quite pleasant. You just defense totem sun ray all day and block. Eventually the zoner will HAVE to come to you, where you are most likely more favored
Pretty good list, there are some characters i don't think are A nor B either so i have a B+ category for them, the characters i think are too good to be B and yet too weak to be A are:
B+
Tanya (Pyromancer)
Kotal Kahn (Sun God)
Kitana (Mounrful)
Erron Black (outlaw)
Sub-Zero (Cryomancer)
Other characters on your B list i think are -A tier
Kitana (Assassin/Royal Storm)
Tanya ( Kobujutsu)
Character that are on your B list and i think are C tier
Kung Lao (Hat Trick)
Bo' Rai Cho (Drunken master)
I Agree only with Heavy Weapons and Wrestler Being A+ & Pumped up being A .. nobody plays him to his full potential yet, Especially Heavy Weapons. if only People could see Tekken Master Playing HW Jax. they will change their mind about HW Jax.
While i wouldn't go around stating X-Ray is a character's saving grace for armor, I will say that Blood God's time with zoners is actually quite pleasant. You just defense totem sun ray all day and block. Eventually the zoner will HAVE to come to you, where you are most likely more favored
No wakeup. The only variation that gets nothing off b14. Gaps. No mixups in this variation. His only really redeeming factor is his damage and his durability. He's really only used in particular mu's
also this guy speaks the truth @CrazyFingers Honestlt though good damn tier list i think i might add mine in here so i can get murdered
tell me what you think
do not forget why alien as a whole is in S: its because of Aliens Strings and normals, that JIP2, that Range and safe mixups at close to full screen, the capability to out Neutral any character in the game, just because her veriation didn't give her acid or lung attacks don't mean squat, Konjurer is one of the most slept on versions of all time, has the ability to make it aliens turn again, give alien easy midscreen 40% can use them in middle at start and at end of combos. together with Drone/B2/B3/DB3/F4 this drone adds complexity but just because its complex does not mean its not just as good as the other two.
A+ Tier Shinnok (Bone Shaper/Imposter) Jason (Unstoppable/Slasher) Kung Jin (Shaolin) Tremor (Crystalline) Ferra/Torr (Ruthless) Jaqui (Shotgun) Mileena (Ravenous/Ethereal) Predator (Hish-Qu-Ten) Jax (Wrestler) Jax (Heavy Weapons) Goro (Tigrar Fury/Dragon Fangs) Johnny Cage (A-List) Liu Kang (Dragons Fire)
HM for A+: KotalKhan (War God/Blood God), Johnny Cage (Stunt Double), Quan Chi (Scorceror), Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire), Sub-Zero (Grandmaster), KotalKhan (War God) Reptile (Deceptive), Reptile (Nimble), Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire)
obviously i have them placed in another area but they have the tools and dirt to be in A+, they deserve to be where i placed them though. not ment to move up just yet
A Tier Sub-Zero(Grandmaster)
This character i moved down, because although he is very strong and should not be downplayed. noone should act like he is not strong at alot of things. the one thing we can not ignor, is his data and MU' #ers. He suffers only because he has a glitched clone, just the word i choose could be his property of his clone: but he has many characters that hit him through his clone on reaction into full combo, for meter and meterless, and the number of characters is too much, then there is the fact that he has alot of stuff wiff due to female hitbox's, and problems reacting to opponents frozen in his ice clone because of fear of the normals missing. add all this together it equals that he does not win the majority of his matchups. Characters that i consider to devistate his clone and basically act like its not there are: Kenshi Kenjutsu, Alien Tarkatan, Alien Acidic, Alien Konjurer, Removed Cassie as requested by: community., Sonya Demo, Sonya Special Forces, Mileena Ethreal, Kung Jin Shaolin, Tanya, Tremor Aftershock (ground pound and so forth) and there are many more that can make there moves with specials on end or linked on or delayed after make his Clone useless, why this is a big deal and im talking about it is because: he Covers up his weaknesses with that clone, and if he can not use it against them, he might as well be bottom tier in that matchup alone. But by no means is Sub Zero Bottom tier. he is more like A+ and close to higher, but with all this in mind this is where i placed him for good reason.
Quan Chi (Summoner) KotalKhan (War God/Blood God) Jason (Relentless) Jax (Pumped Up) Jaqui (Full Auto) Predator (Hunter) Sonya (Cover Ops/Special Forces) Scorpion (Hellfire/Ninjitsu) Erron Black (Gunslinger/Marksman) Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire) Ermac (Spectral/Master of Souls) Triborg (Smoke) Liu Kang (Flame Fists) Cassie Cage (Hollywood/Brawler) Reptile (Noxious) Kung Lao (Buzz Saw/Tempest) Leatherface (Killer/Pretty Lady) Raiden (Thunder God/Displacer) Triborg (Sektor) D'vorah (Brood Mother) Takeda (Lasher) Ferra/Torr (Vicious) Johnny Cage (Stunt Double) Cassie Cage (Spec Ops)
Honorable Mentions for A tier: Kano (Commando), Bo Rai Cho (Bartitsu), Jacqui Briggs (High Tech), Tanya (Kobojutsu), Tanya (Dragon Naginata), Sub Zero (Cryomancer)
B Tier Tremor (Aftershock) Ferra/Torr (Lackey) Bo'Rai Cho (Drunken Master) Tanya (Pyromancer) Bo' Rai Cho (Bartitsu/Dragon's Breath) Kitana (All Variations) Erron Black (Outlaw) Jacqui Briggs (High Tech) Kenshi (Possesd/Kenjutsu)
Is my secondary and i think he could possibly be higher.
Leatherface (Butcher) Kung Jin (Bojutsu) Predator (Warrior) Sub Zero (Cryomancer) Triborg (Cyrax) Liu Kang (Dualist) Goro (Kuatan Warrior) Kano (Commando/Cybernetic) Kotal Kahn (Sun God) D'vorah (Venomous) Shinnok (Necromancer)
Honorable Mentions for B Tier: Triborg (Cyber Sub Zero), Kenshi (Balanced), Kung Lao (Hat Trick), Tremor (Metallic) Bo'Rai Cho (Drunken Master)
C Tier Kenshi (Balanced) Sub Zero (Unbreakable) Bo'Rai Cho (Drunken Master) Scorpion (Inferno) Kung Jin (Ancestral) Raiden (Master of Storms) Triborg (Cyber Sub-Zero) Tremor (Metallic) Johnny Cage (Fisticuffs) Kung Lao (Hat Trick)
Let me say, that yes S tier is very good almost gollike, but i don't think all there deserve Nerfs, i think only a couple there need nerfs.
some can be powerful just by having all around tools that are strong in all fields and even have a weakness, just easy for player to adapt to cover those holes.
Mileena: has a Ball roll that blinks out of exsistance and i think she needs pne of the smallest hitboxs in the game, this means alot of variations have trouble connecting combos and normal punnishers. Her roll is very fast and its a mid, a very strong mid i might add, together with her small hitbox and forever hiding hurtbox, she seems to make you play her game with that roll of hers, is she gonna roll now, should i use this string with that small gap, she might roll through it. is she gonna end her strings with a roll then EX roll right after. it does have Mad Recovery so its possible you might see a Mileena Double roll. and since it goes through so many OH's Mids and Lows with her Forever shrinking hitbox: She is by far S tier top of all characters with maybe only 3 characters to say otherwise. But even with all this said and her Range and spce control with B12 OS and F23 i do not think needs a nerf, she really has nothing Broken per say. just good all around game and toolset.
Since she does not meet the requirement of Broken by having all of it plus broken tools, she does not make the oppoenet play her game and have broken tools, she just makes them play her game, but can not force you hand on what you are going to do. like some others EX Kuni type of Forcement or Jailing rekkas which forc e single move on your part or 2 moves that end in one result, alien AAing you into the same setup of Mixup torment
Alien: Has a stupid JIP2 that auto corrects and has advantage on wiff, that needs fixed as well as Jailing Rekka if that still jails controversy on that one. should not be able to Special cancel off B3, that shit has more range than any move in aliens move set and i can understand the frustration with being mixed up that far away, but others have the range of F4 and D4.
The Reason Why Jailing rekkas are Meta Breaking is it Forces your opponent to Play Aliens game and forces your hand into a predictable outcome, that alien is fully equiped to handle right after.
Why i think many are not deserving of Ners is plaine and simple, If they dont have all around good matchups and have aBroken Tool that forces an outcome b y you to keep you in the same type of loop and predictable controlled lockdown, then it should not be nerfed, just simply having a long range move does not qualify. but having a Long Range move that forces you to act in one or two ways and said character has an imidiate response to both outcomes that puts you in the same situation is Definitely broken and deserves some adjustment.
I can't really think of a weakness for Shotgun aside from her not really having a good wakeup. But at the same time she has a fast high wakeup and a slow mid so you still have to guess between neutral ducking or armor breaking bf2 but the bf1 is -27. Idk her wakeup options aren't awful. Also bf1 side switches.
Her weaknesses are poor pokes, poor armour and hitbox inconsistencies that let everyone low profile her mids.
She is most certainly a strong character, I agree with the A+ placement. If the top tier get nerfed sufficiently, I see her rising easily to top 5.
As it stands she has trouble with mileena, Johnny, Takeda and Liu which by your definitions makes her not S tier.
I would also place full auto in A+ tier along with Hollywood Cassie and covert Ops Sonya (maybe grandmaster in A+ too?). Apart from that, I pretty much agree with your tier placements.
Her weaknesses are poor pokes, poor armour and hitbox inconsistencies that let everyone low profile her mids.
She is most certainly a strong character, I agree with the A+ placement. If the top tier get nerfed sufficiently, I see her rising easily to top 5.
As it stands she has trouble with mileena, Johnny, Takeda and Liu which by your definitions makes her not S tier.
I would also place full auto in A+ tier along with Hollywood Cassie and covert Ops Sonya (maybe grandmaster in A+ too?). Apart from that, I pretty much agree with your tier placements.
d1 and d3 have the same range, and get outranged badly against most of the cast. It gets to the point where she legitimately can't poke back even though they're very minus because her pokes have such poor range.
Low profiling her mids is a big issue specifically for her because it's low pokes that are low profiling them. She has no way to enforce her plus frames and she can't poke back because her pokes are garbo.
Mind you, this is not me trying to downplay; I think shotgun is very good. With the listed definition of S tier and Johnny cage not being considered S tier however, there's no way that you can have Jacqui up there too.
She has several problem matchups which limit her effectiveness as a solo character compared with the other S tiers.
She will be the new 'S tier' if she is left relatively unchanged and the top tier receive the nerfs that most think are coming.
Great list though