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Injustice Kryptonite Council Podcast Episode 3 Feat: Tom Brady, Reo, Pig of the Hut, M2dave

Except this is pure speculation. Sure, it might have concluded the way you just suggest but we don't know. Moreover, the mere fact that so many Scorpion matches were so close and he lost his fair share of matches puts a dent into the "unbeatable, broken" bullshit. It was suggested that Scorpion will just J3 MB tele his way into a Grand Finals mirror match, and that was absolutely proven to be wrong.


At no point was the argument "corpion will just J3 MB tele his way into a Grand Finals mirror match". The point was that the MB teleport broke the blocking mechanic of the game and caused a great deal of the cast to hold down for 99% of the fight. Do not dash, do not walk forward, do not do any specials or normal attacks. Sit there, hold down, and guess on Scorpion. There were a few characters that could fight him, which was said. However, the rest of the cast was going to play Scorpion rather than Injustice.

He was normalized, he is still good and still viable. Everyone who was quitting the game because of him can now rest easy. At this point, ppl need to stop talking about Scorpion and buffs/nerfs in general. Since day 1 of release, this place has been 90% about discussing buffs and nerfs.
 

SilverKeyMan

Dropping Combos like a MotherFucker!
Imagines a conversation in the not-so-distant past...

REO: "Hey Tom, remember when you were getting so much crap over everything you said in MK9?"
Brady: "Yeah."
REO: "Let's make a podcast discussing Injustice."
Brady: "But then it'll be even worse!"
REO: "What if we include m2dave?"
Brady: "But he'll... say things."
REO: "Yep!"
Brady: "Ingenious."
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
He was normalized, he is still good and still viable. Everyone who was quitting the game because of him can now rest easy. At this point, ppl need to stop talking about Scorpion and buffs/nerfs in general. Since day 1 of release, this place has been 90% about discussing buffs and nerfs.
I won't lie, person I assume is the handsome Tom Brady, I can agree that scorpion was a little ridiculous (As a Bane player and one of the few characters who could fight him on our terms, even I'll admit it) and the recent changes have made him more manageable for more of the cast.

However, I cannot agree that 90% of TYM is about buffs and nerfs. Specifically, 75% of it is about low gun shots, 15% is character discussion, and 10% is random news tidbits.

But 100% of it is liked by Morbid Autism, so I guess its all the same. You guys doing a special episode at EVO by chance?
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
We still have to hear about how MB teleport broke the game and shut down the majority of the cast?

Catwoman was never one of the characters that could deal with Scorpion according to you guys. Not once was she brought up. That was the whole point of me playing her. The point was Killer Frost "doesn't count". I show Catwoman can compete as well and suddenly she's just added to the small list of characters who can compete. Like it's a coincidence my alt character also can. No, get out of here. The deal was if I could do that it shows we have no idea how many can compete and you guys stop saying Scorp breaks the game for all but KF and Aquaman. Pig, this is exactly why I said it wouldn't matter before CEO. I told you nothing would matter.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
GGA 16 Bit, do you agree with the increased recovery frames on Deathstroke's low gunshots? If not, what would have done?

Also, do you believe it is fair that a "low mid tier" character like The Flash keeps receiving buffs in every patch?
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
Can this be the final time that the MKC pumps up shit that happens online? All we ever heard were war stories of the exploits of PL and Reo online like it was Scorpiocalypse Now, and everyone ended up getting sold a bill of goods (Or at least feels that way)

You'd think everyone would have learned from all the Leper Messiahs and Online Idols from MK9.
 
Regardless of whether or not people can deal with scorpions teleport, the character kills the entertainment of spectating matches. So if he's nerfed to "kano" tier and we don't see him used in tournament play anymore that's not a bad thing. The resounding boos was a clear indication that there are many people who don't like seeing him in tournament play. This game has taken off to a hell of a start, much more popular than MK, hopefully it can maintain its momentum and continue to grow.
 

RoGE

Noob
*looks at the CEO scorpion matches*

Yeah that character definitely needed a nerf, he's one of those characters that turned the game into something really, really dumb, regardless of if he is top tier or not. Did he need a ban? Maybe not but he definitely needed a nerf.

He's still a really solid character post-patch, he just needs to rely more on punishment.
 
GGA 16 Bit, do you agree with the increased recovery frames on Deathstroke's low gunshots? If not, what would have done?

Also, do you believe it is fair that a "low mid tier" character like The Flash keeps receiving buffs in every patch?

Why don't you save yourself some trouble and switch characters? Mid tier =/= needs buffs. There's probably about 10 characters who deserve buffs before DS. It's pretty obvious to everyone that the reason you think DS is trash and deserves buffs is because you think yourself entitled to a top tier character, and guess what: You are! After all "the game is easy" (your words), so you can simply take a couple weeks tops to learn a S-tier zoner and never look back.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Can this be the final time that the MKC pumps up shit that happens online? All we ever heard were war stories of the exploits of PL and Reo online like it was Scorpiocalypse Now, and everyone ended up getting sold a bill of goods (Or at least feels that way)

You'd think everyone would have learned from all the Leper Messiahs and Online Idols from MK9.
it'll never happen

until NRS can make netcode that just isn't purely different than offline....

Sorry... thier money comes from the casuals. It isn't the "casuals" problem if the tourney players refuse to go online and get that point of view.
 
GGA 16 Bit, do you agree with the increased recovery frames on Deathstroke's low gunshots? If not, what would have done?

Also, do you believe it is fair that a "low mid tier" character like The Flash keeps receiving buffs in every patch?
"The red herring is as much a debate tactic as it is a logical fallacy. It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when a listener attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by introducing another topic. This can be one of the most frustrating, and effective, fallacies to observe."
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Mid tier =/= needs buffs.
The Flash.

"The red herring is as much a debate tactic as it is a logical fallacy. It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when a listener attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by introducing another topic. This can be one of the most frustrating, and effective, fallacies to observe."
I would like to see more consistency. If one move is considered overpowered and is therefore normalized, why are other moves that are considered overpowered not normalized?

16 Bit can take as many cheap shots at me as he wants, but I know for a fact that he loves the current low gunshots because he no longer has to deal with what once was a very difficult match up for his character. Just like many of you hypocrites in this thread.
 
The Flash.



I would like to see more consistency. If one move is considered overpowered and is therefore normalized, why are other moves that are considered overpowered not normalized?

16 Bit can take as many cheap shots at me as he wants, but I know for a fact that he loves the current low gunshots because he no longer has to deal with what once was a very difficult match up for his character. Just like many of you hypocrites in this thread.
You keep bringing up a bunch of irrelevant stuff. Because character A got nerf =/= character B should be nerfed. That attitude creates a vicious cycle of characters being ruined, then their mainers becoming vindictive and jumping at the chance to get another character nerfed out of spite. This is exactly what you admitted to doing and seem blind to why it's poisonous to the game.

Whether or not low gunshots was necessary is a different conversation, and has little bearing on the current topic.

Also, take a step back and realize that what you're resentful of, the reactionary nerf to DS, is exactly what you helped do to another character.
 

coolwhip

Noob
GGA 16 Bit, do you agree with the increased recovery frames on Deathstroke's low gunshots? If not, what would have done?

Also, do you believe it is fair that a "low mid tier" character like The Flash keeps receiving buffs in every patch?

Dave, with you it's tough to know where the trolling ends and the seriousness begins, so allow me to ask you this: what does the above have to do with Scorpion? Let's say Deathstroke's low gun nerfs were unnecessary, how do they have anything to do with your campaign to get Scorpion banned? And yes, BANNED, not nerfed, but banned!
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
The only char who truly needed a nerf in this game was Scorpion. DS did not need one nor KF or anybody else, just Scorpion. I still don't think his moveset belongs in this game but I'm sure everybody at this point already knows what general m2dave, myself, GGA 16 Bit feel on this matter as we've cluttered up most of the pages saying the same shit already.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Dave, with you it's tough to know where the trolling ends and the seriousness begins, so allow me to ask you this: what does the above have to do with Scorpion? Let's say Deathstroke's low gun nerfs were unnecessary, how do they have anything to do with your campaign to get Scorpion banned? And yes, BANNED, not nerfed, but banned!
I wanted Scorpion to be banned because I thought that the pre-patch MB teleport broke the blocking mechanics of the game. My argument had nothing to do with Deathstroke.

I bring up Deathstroke because many Scorpion defenders, namely 16 Bit and Dizzy, claimed that pre-patch low gunshots were "broken" and controlled the pace of the match against the vast majority of characters. All of a sudden, the same players claimed that Scorpion was fine even though the pre-patch MB teleport controlled the pace of the match more than pre-patch low gunshots ever did.

You also have to understand that a player's perspective on these issues depends on the main character that they use. 16 Bit and Dizzy complained about pre-patch Deathstroke because their main characters lost to him. On the other hand, they did not complain about pre-patch Scorpion because their main characters fought Scorpion very well.

Unlike others who lie in the community's face yet play the heroes, I am honest and have nothing to hide. I would have normalized Scorpion differently so that he can still be a top tier character. But I am happy that he was normalized and I still believe he was ban worthy and I am not apologizing to anybody because nobody apologized to me when my character was normalized.
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
I think myself and Dizzy made a combined total of 10 posts saying Deathstroke was a top tier character and to stop the DS downplaying. This is obviously comparable to you leading a campaign to get a character BANNED.
I also don't remember you guys making 3 entire threads complaining about a char either:(

I think he's tired of me putting him in his place, he has me on ignore lol