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x MAD AXES x

x MAD AXES x

Lighten up will ya!
xWEBSx said:
Basically take damage any possible way you can get it.. Be as cheap as possible, and reads play a lot into that. Harley is a hit and run, in and out character.. NOT a stand toe to toe whole match or opposite screen the whole match.
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Fergus, this. You could say play Harley like Xiaoyu in tekken XD.
 
Fergus

Fergus

Like Father, Like Daughter
But she can use shield form to reduce chip and counter gets around her zoning tools, WW gets on Harley easy enough from what I find, she's not really comparable to Superman, WW's a sick 50/50 character unlike Superman (Superman being a lot stronger in other areas ofc), and it's pretty damn hard to react to WW's overhead. And she deals 40%+ meterless in the corner off overhead and probably her low option as well. Harley's chip/zoning game isn't enough to stop WW going in with 50/50s and her damage as well lol. Just my thoughts.

@Mad Axes, btw we're having an allnighter session for Evo and there's gonna be loads of casuals with like 10-20 setups, if you're planning to come to Dublin, this is the one! We can play TTT2 and IJ. Also isnt' Xiaoyu ass in TTT2 as well D: Not a promising comparison :(
 
cpmd4

cpmd4

Slaughter is the Best Medicine
So I just played a set against a good Scorpion, and I could only come close to winning. What do you guys use to punish a whiffed MB teleport? I couldn't reach 1,1 and b2,2 was too slow (might be my reaction time). I can't go to the lab since I don't own him.
 
xWEBSx

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
cpmd4 said:
So I just played a set against a good Scorpion, and I could only come close to winning. What do you guys use to punish a whiffed MB teleport? I couldn't reach 1,1 and b2,2 was too slow (might be my reaction time). I can't go to the lab since I don't own him.
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Scorpion just eats up Harley... On the ground you have to beware of chain and flames, Scorpion has god like cross over jumping attacks when close and if he gets you jump happy...teleport all day long into combo. Your guns may beat him 1 out of 3 teleports on startup but its not reliable.. you can punish long range chain with gun (MB gun).. I am talking about a Scorpion who knows what he is doing...He is frustrating to fight.. Just like Sinestro.. You know what can be done or has to be done.. Doing it is the hard part and it is in fact, easier said than done I don't care what level player you are.
 
KamkaziChicila

KamkaziChicila

Harley & Zatana is all I need.
The only MUs that I can call "bad" for Harley is WW, Superman, Aquaman, and of course everyone's fav Scorpion.
I say:
WW is 4-6
Superman is 4-6 maybe even 3-7
Aquaman is a solid 3.5/6.5
Scorpion is ?/? because its literally the most ridiculous thing.
 
Sasuga

Sasuga

Kombatant
KamkaziChicila said:
The only MUs that I can call "bad" for Harley is WW, Superman, Aquaman, and of course everyone's fav Scorpion.
I say:
WW is 4-6
Superman is 4-6 maybe even 3-7
Aquaman is a solid 3.5/6.5
Scorpion is ?/? because its literally the most ridiculous thing.
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Not even Black Adam or Sinestro?

After playing good GLs and WWs this weekend at a tournament, I agree WW MU is 4-6 against Harley and GL is an easy matchup indeed, I would say 6-4 for Harley. A good WW should be able to get in on Harley without much trouble and she is really dangerous up close. For Green Lantern it's a lot harder. He can barely move! ^^
 
x MAD AXES x

x MAD AXES x

Lighten up will ya!
What do you guys feel about the deathstroke mu, it feels an intimidating mu at first but now im thinking it's 4.5-5.5 ds.

Sinestro is a bad mu for harley
 
Sasuga

Sasuga

Kombatant
x MAD AXES x said:
What do you guys feel about the deathstroke mu, it feels an intimidating mu at first but now im thinking it's 4.5-5.5 ds.

Sinestro is a bad mu for harley
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I listed the DS MU as 4-6 against Harley. It may be 5-5 but seeing it's easier for DS to outzone than for HQ to get in, I list this in DS's favor. You need to be so patient here and take every opportunity to move towards him. For me, it's a very energy consuming matchup.
 
xWEBSx

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
x MAD AXES x said:
What do you guys feel about the deathstroke mu, it feels an intimidating mu at first but now im thinking it's 4.5-5.5 ds.

Sinestro is a bad mu for harley
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Deathstroke and Sinestro are both annoying.. There are a few differences that separate the two..
- DS has offensive moves that you can lure out and punish easily as Harley (see spin & pizza cutter flip)
-All of DS range options can be blocked the same way.. Therefore gaining ground is easier/quicker..
-Sinestro makes you block a few different ways.. Can punish jumping 100% and can pin you down/extend combos with a terrific trait.

Ultimately the same patience and caution required to play both characters.. Sinestro just has more mines to lay in the field to ruin your day than DS has.
 
KamkaziChicila

KamkaziChicila

Harley & Zatana is all I need.
Sinestro MU is annoying but I find it fun. The only thing that's the struggle is getting in, but after that it is easy imo. Never let him trait charge and get ready to get 15%+ chip :(
 
nightE89

nightE89

Cupcakes!!!
I hate Frank Sinatra I mean Sinestro. Just trying to get in on him is just more tedious than anything. My reason I think he is annoying is his block stun for the fear balls.
 
Jermball

Jermball

Noob
KamkaziChicila said:
The only MUs that I can call "bad" for Harley is WW, Superman, Aquaman, and of course everyone's fav Scorpion.
I say:
WW is 4-6
Superman is 4-6 maybe even 3-7
Aquaman is a solid 3.5/6.5
Scorpion is ?/? because its literally the most ridiculous thing.
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I have to disagree greatly with WW... cupcake bombs destroy any air offense she attempts, tantrum stance nullifies one of her best wake ups (lasso spin) because it doesn't hit low...so you can actually throw one out on her wake up (must be timed before she actually spins) and if you did it correctly, harley will lay there and wonder woman's lasso will go right over you...thus nulling a good wake up for her. so then you can follow up with cartwheel into B3 and insert finishing string here.
 
cpmd4

cpmd4

Slaughter is the Best Medicine
So I've been playing more of the Aquaman match-up and I think it'smore like a 6-4. I no longer think it's Harley's worst match-up.

After Scorpion's nerfs it's not a bad match-up for her.

For the rest of her bad match-ups I'd say DS, Superman, Sinestro and Black Adam. Possibly Batgirl.

Anyone else with thoughts after the patch? Scorpion in particular?
 
marc

marc

Noob
Any thoughts on the more developed hawkgirls popping up lately?

Specifically in dealing with full screen zoning, neutral, and corner game.

I have trouble punishing the air hammer dash, when she hovers directly
above you, and when she gets me in the corner it's outright painful.
 
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