Match-up Discussion Flash Match up Chart

[PND i2 Gaug3]

DGOD PSYCHO
what you got to do is you need a setup that grants a definite jump in i mean one that stops back dashes and forward dashes and is still safe against the slide then you have yourself a party.

But i still say batman has no 5-5's

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

DGOD PSYCHO
what you got to do is you need a setup that grants a definite jump in i mean one that stops back dashes and forward dashes and is still safe against the slide then you have yourself a party.

But i still say batman has no 5-5's

i do have one.
during trait you end with 32, definite cross up. untechable.
Flash being slept on...
but bro, you can end in cross up Sonic pounds to i think you're forgetting about that

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

batman can b23 all day GG

B23 all day new tech? A NEW MINDSET TO TRY OMGZ BATMAN SO BROKE

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Hellion_96
What to do about batmans JI2? get back at him.
End your trait combos in 32, grants a free cross up, or you fake with a sonic pound, throw them off, naw meen?
Cross up with Ji1.
And now, how is this not 5-5?
Every batman does flash can do with more damage.
the thing making this match up even is his batarangs. if they nerf that trait flash will shit on him.

 

[Hellion_96]

Hellion_96
What to do about batmans JI2? get back at him.
End your trait combos in 32, grants a free cross up, or you fake with a sonic pound, throw them off, naw meen?
Cross up with Ji1.
And now, how is this not 5-5?
Every batman does flash can do with more damage.
the thing making this match up even is his batarangs. if they nerf that trait flash will shit on him.

If he has full bats and jumps in ill just pushblock so he loses the bats other than that i dash under him if i can But batman will land a few jump ins even if you're ready you can;t react all the time. Everytime i beat a batman it;s because i knocked him down and raped his bad wakeups. The batman i play regulary has realized he can parry string linked into sonic pound and knows the mixups which makes winnning alot harder

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

If he has full bats and jumps in ill just pushblock so he loses the bats other than that i dash under him if i can But batman will land a few jump ins even if you're ready you can;t react all the time. Everytime i beat a batman it;s because i knocked him down and raped his bad wakeups. The batman i play regulary has realized he can parry string linked into sonic pound and knows the mixups which makes winnning alot harder

why are you using sonic pounds during strings?
The only time it should be done is off of B22 into cross ups in the corner.
or D1D2 pound, but if they parry it than don't use it, bait his parry and blow him up. this is called adaptation.

 

[Hellion_96]

why are you using sonic pounds during strings?

Because no one blocks. Even if they know how to get out it;s not a bad idea to throw out once and a while.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

i do have one.
during trait you end with 32, definite cross up. untechable.
Flash being slept on...
but bro, you can end in cross up Sonic pounds to i think you're forgetting about that

112 sonic pound mb LKx3 B22lk 32 ji1 (cross up).
PND i2 Gaug3

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Because no one blocks. Even if they know how to get out it;s not a bad idea to throw out once and a while.

then start playing flash at a high level and make that read. its not rocket science, you can get around a lot of stuff in this game.
If he parries it twice, then start baiting, stop, let the parry frames leave and get a full combo. its easy lol.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

I disagree. I played a lot of Flash players and I think it's as fair as you'll get.

Bane's armored moves and his own whiff punishing game is very strong. He makes approach incredibly difficult and he can take the life lead and run with it. His damage goes up insanely high with increasing levels of Venom so he can match Flash in terms of damage and in straight-up raw attacks he beats him outright anyway(referring to single hit shit like charge, grab, etc.) Jump 2 is whiff punishable but on the plus it really fucks with his armor so if you're in a position to use it easily then things are gonna get rough.

Phase his armored moves. GG

 

[Hellion_96]

then start playing flash at a high level and make that read. its not rocket science, you can get around a lot of stuff in this game.

Your condescending attitude is pretty annoying. Not even a week a go you were crying about the flash now you're saying he's fine and goes even with characters that he obviously doesn't. Damage doesn't make him win. Kabal still beat cyrax and cyrax tripled his damage.He lacks the tools to win and these threads upplay way too much. Please go to a tournement and prove me wrong but flash cannot beat half the cast at the highlest level.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Your condescending attitude is pretty annoying. Not even a week a go you were crying about the flash now you're saying he's fine and goes even with characters that he obviously doesn't. Damage doesn't make him win. Kabal still beat cyrax and cyrax tripled his damage.He lacks the tools to win and these threads upplay way too much. Please go to a tournement and prove me wrong but flash cannot beat half the cast at the highlest level.

thats because i learned how to get around things, and no im not saying his fine. I just think we are over exaggerating him. And yeah, sure I was crying because I didn't know what to do. but now I know what to do. Do not compare injustice to MK, you can't its an entirely different game.
f0xy and gaug3 told me to work around things, so this is what im trying to do. Flash is a very complicated and hard character, so you have to brain storm.
11-13 bad match ups? seriously?
its honestly more so 7-9.
Thats the problem, we're all just seeing things as bad match ups when no one is looking for a way around things.
Listen, match up is 5-5 at high level play if the flash player knows what hes doing.
Flash doesn't need a buff, he needs a hot fix. fix his mids and his F213 being interruptable. thats it.
A bad match up is superman.
he can easily keep flash out, on top of that out rushes down flash. Batman doesn't out rush down flash, or out footsie him.. and he can't really keep him out. it becomes a rush down 50/50 game.

 

[Hellion_96]

thats because i learned how to get around things, and no im not saying his fine. I just think we are over exaggerating him.
f0xy and gaug3 told me to work around things, so this is what im trying to do. Flash is a very complicated and hard character, so you have to brain storm.
11-13 bad match ups? seriously?
its honestly more so 7-9.
Thats the problem, we're all just seeing things as bad match ups when no one is looking for a way around things.
Listen, match up is 5-5 at high level play if the flash player knows what hes doing.
Flash doesn't need a buff, he needs a hot fix. fix his mids and his F213 being interruptable. thats it.

I've played this character since the first 5 mins i opened this game I constantly try to find ways around everything he's simply not as good as a lot of characters. How can he be good in a game filled with the most braindead shit i have ever seen in a fighting game that takes 5 mins to learn. Yet its been a month and there are absolutely no flashes winning anything anywhere. Compared to everyone else he's fair, too fair. You can find all the tech in the world all the damage in the world it will not change the fact that his b2 is slow and randomly whiffs, his d1 is good but gets out ranged by almost every other d1 and you will be in that death zone where you;re too close for slow b2/f2 and too far for d1 and 21 A LOT. This is where your only option is flying uppercut or dash back. People now are actualy starting to get wake ups out which even makes it harder to win. I will say this one more time...of course you can beat any one with any character using flash but that does not mean he wins that matchup. All your posts make it sound like you get all your matchup experience from online scrubs I hope that's not the case. i Have a 900+w to 200l ratio online and it's mostly from beating scrubs that does not make flash good

 

[Qwark28]

ppl still bother with this thread?

 

[Hiltzy85]

speaking of the poor range on d1d2, it's not even just that it has poor range. Flash actually moves backwards when he does this string. Given that he sticks his foot out, you would think that he would have to move forward to do his little elbow, but no, of course not. He moves backward.

 

[RYX]

speaking of the poor range on d1d2, it's not even just that it has poor range. Flash actually moves backwards when he does this string. Given that he sticks his foot out, you would think that he would have to move forward to do his little elbow, but no, of course not. He moves backward.

he's moving forward so fast that it actually looks like he's moving backwards.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

I've played this character since the first 5 mins i opened this game I constantly try to find ways around everything he's simply not as good as a lot of characters. How can he be good in a game filled with the most braindead shit i have ever seen in a fighting game that takes 5 mins to learn. Yet its been a month and there are absolutely no flashes winning anything anywhere. Compared to everyone else he's fair, too fair. You can find all the tech in the world all the damage in the world it will not change the fact that his b2 is slow and randomly whiffs, his d1 is good but gets out ranged by almost every other d1 and you will be in that death zone where you;re too close for slow b2/f2 and too far for d1 and 21 A LOT. This is where your only option is flying uppercut or dash back. People now are actualy starting to get wake ups out which even makes it harder to win. I will say this one more time...of course you can beat any one with any character using flash but that does not mean he wins that matchup. All your posts make it sound like you get all your matchup experience from online scrubs I hope that's not the case. i Have a 900+w to 200l ratio online and it's mostly from beating scrubs that does not make flash good

and whos representing flash properly.. again? nobody. not even me.
I'm trying to get to majors but I have a problem with getting a ride. I could to well at tourneys with flash but still.

 

[Hellion_96]

and whos representing flash properly.. again? nobody. not even me.
I'm trying to get to majors but I have a problem with getting a ride. I could to well at tourneys with flash but still.

Yea just ignore everything i said great

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Yea just ignore everything i said great

You thinking I play online scrubs is your assumption. Do not assume things.
The neighborhood which I live in is pretty big on injustice, i do a lot of offline with good people.
If you would like to see how I play with flash, gt is DGOD PSYCHO.
But you have to deal with it, flash is a hard character, and everyone wants easy characters.
in sfxt, steve fox is just like flash, no projectiles, getting zoned out, high damage.
Later on in the game, enduring all that, he ends up one of the best characters in the game.

 

[RYX]

You thinking I play online scrubs is your assumption. Do not assume things.
The neighborhood which I live in is pretty big on injustice, i do a lot of offline with good people.
If you would like to see how I play with flash, gt is DGOD PSYCHO.
But you have to deal with it, flash is a hard character, and everyone wants easy characters.
in sfxt, steve fox is just like flash, no projectiles, getting zoned out, high damage.
Later on in the game, enduring all that, he ends up one of the best characters in the game.

But Steve Fox probably has better tools for the game he's in. I don't really get the point here considering the two games are miles apart and the two characters are probably just as different when you actually get into them.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Hellion_96
I want you to try these tips
Every single jump in you see, dash under, B2 every single time work on this.
Only rush in off of sonic pounds off of untechable knockdowns, once you have a life lead, pressure until they properly block a mix up, all of our mix ups are + on block and D1D2 is nuetral, once they block, back dash, phase them all day, you will have a life lead.
Watch them come to you frustrated doing jump ins again, which they are prone to another dash under.

You have to agitate people with the flash. If you feel like this character isn't for you, then just drop him.
Yes, other characters are brain dead, but flash is not. he requires some work. Keep at it, and just work on fundamentals, I bet you some where down the road you will understand what I am saying.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

But Steve Fox probably has better tools for the game he's in. I don't really get the point here considering the two games are miles apart and the two characters are probably just as different when you actually get into them.

I mean, not really.
He only has one tool to get in just like flash. Awesome damage input, nice frame traps while using meter.
its pretty much the same thing, we flash mains just have to endure. That is all.
Steve fox had no good high/low game either, but flash does.
flash is on crack compared to steve, so we have to endure and learn the fundamentals.
Trust me, i've been hitting the lab like a rat. I've improved my fundamentals and I'm seriously finding so many more match ups to be easiar.

 

[RYX]

I mean, not really.
He only has one tool to get in just like flash. Awesome damage input, nice frame traps while using meter.
its pretty much the same thing, we flash mains just have to endure. That is all.
Steve fox had no good high/low game either, but flash does.
flash is on crack compared to steve, so we have to endure and learn the fundamentals.
Trust me, i've been hitting the lab like a rat. I've improved my fundamentals and I'm seriously finding so many more match ups to be easiar.

Did you try these easier match-ups versus solid players?

Because when I'm in the lab with Bane every match-up is 10-0 Bane.

I mean, I won't hold it against you if you say you haven't been properly tested since LSBH there's only a handful of dedicated Bane players who can play him sufficiently(myself not included lol) so I think definitive match-up decisions will take a while, since that's just how it goes with sleeper characters.

 

[Hellion_96]

I mean, not really.
He only has one tool to get in just like flash. Awesome damage input, nice frame traps while using meter.
its pretty much the same thing, we flash mains just have to endure. That is all.
Steve fox had no good high/low game either, but flash does.
flash is on crack compared to steve, so we have to endure and learn the fundamentals.
Trust me, i've been hitting the lab like a rat. I've improved my fundamentals and I'm seriously finding so many more match ups to be easiar.

Flash is a bottom character and i will stand by that until other characters get nerfed or flash is buffed. And batman can just instant air sparkle to stop you from dashing forward and he's safe. Flash has no deterrent to stop batman from freely jumping. Batman beats flash

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

Flash is a bottom character and i will stand by that until other characters get nerfed or flash is buffed. And batman can just instant air sparkle to stop you from dashing forward and he's safe. Flash has no deterrent to stop batman from freely jumping. Batman beats flash

PND i2 Gaug3
Look at what he just said, that batman is free to jump.
PND and I came into a conclusion that he can dash under any jump in the game.
If he does his instant air sparkle, okay, let him do it, if he whiffs free lightning charge then an sonic pound OTG.
You're only complaining about batman.