Which comic character has the best rogues gallery?

[Compbros]

Superman could pulverize lex just as fast as he could joker. It's superman. Don't act like Lex isn't protected by the power of the writers as well lol. All characters are to an extent or it would be the Superman show.

Lex is not a villain to the World, just Superman and the heroes(gods). He has done good for Metropolis and the human race in general. He does not kill or maim people in the light and he has a well publicized distrust of Superman. Now, with how much hell people know he's made Superman's life if Lex were to just disappear or turn up dead Superman would be the first choice of suspects and be distrusted by all and possibly even hunted down. There are grave consequences for Superman killing Lex.



Edit: Sorry, wrong quote.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Doesn't that not make him a fantastic villain? Everyone in the world wants him dead...but no one can seem to kill him.

No because he should be dead, he has the super power called plot armor though, any guard could just shoot him in his cell and get rid of the body but it never happens because joker is popular, I dont like god tier villains, I perfer my heroes and villains to have humanish characteristics, and believe it or not, lex and superman are more relatable then batman and joker

 

[TakeAChance]

lex is actually smart as fuck. more than batman .

I would never argue against Luthors' Intelligence lol

Lex is the worlds smartest man,

Bruce is the worlds greatest detectives. Two entirely different things.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Batman's reasoning is quite valid. He doesn't kill ANY of his villains because he wants to clean up his city and show the people that living a normal life and believing in the Justice System works. That's why Dent was so tragic. He was the front runner in that.

If Batman goes around and starts killing the rogues, that gives off the message that anyone can just start offing people and have no consequence "I killed this robber. The batman kills people all the time!"

He becomes an excuse to murder instead of one that prevails through justice.

Actually appearantly his reason now is that if he ever killed someone whether it be by accident or on purpose he would go on a rampage and kill any criminal no matter what the crime... not exactly the type of person I want patrolling the streets fighting criminals

 

[xWEBSx]

Spanning all comic books.. Not just DC.. There is a reason so many follow Spidey and Batman, they have been around a long time.. And have the best and most notable rogues gallery. Even non fans or just casual movie goers can make at least one bad guy from Spider-man and Batman.

 

[DuskAlloy]

I agree man:

Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Sandman, Hydro Man, Venom, Carnage, Vulture, Rhino, Kraven the Hunter, Jack 'O Lantern, Spot, Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Shocker, Scorpion, Electr, Lizard, Morbius ... IT JUST NEVER STOPS!



Yeah, Spider-Man is the only character where it's hard for me to tell who is arch-nemesis is ... For Batman it's the Joker, for Superman it's Lex Luthor and so on, but Spider-Man?
He had Venom, the first opponent he was actually scared off, because Venom was superior in every way. He also had Doctor Octopus, who challenged Spider-Mans superior intellect over and over and over again, giving him a run for his money on a regular basis. And then you also had the Green Goblin, who ... well, Green Goblin, you know :-| (I hate the Green Goblin / Gwen Stacy non-sense though ... should have never been brought up - I was a fan of the Peter + Gwen pairing)

But yeah, because of my own personal bias the best rogue ever is the Void. I find that concept to be way too amazing, even though it's already based on an already existing idea.
I'm happy that Rick Remender is bringing the Void back to some degree in the upcoming Uncanny Avengers comics.

I always saw Doc Ock as being his rival, to me he was always what peter could of been if he didnt have good influences, and they are somewhat bringing that up in superior spiderman and that is awesome

 

[TakeAChance]

Actually appearantly his reason now is that if he ever killed someone whether it be by accident or on purpose he would go on a rampage and kill any criminal no matter what the crime... not exactly the type of person I want patrolling the streets fighting criminals

He doesn't know where it would end if he started. Because if you can justify one death, you can justify them all. It's a valid saying.

 

[TakeAChance]

Lex is not a villain to the World, just Superman and the heroes(gods). He has done good for Metropolis and the human race in general. He does not kill or maim people in the light and he has a well publicized distrust of Superman. Now, with how much hell people know he's made Superman's life if Lex were to just disappear or turn up dead Superman would be the first choice of suspects and be distrusted by all and possibly even hunted down. There are grave consequences for Superman killing Lex.



Edit: Sorry, wrong quote.

I pity the poor guard that kills joker.

The wrath of Harley would be one thing I would not want to have....


Joker has been shot at before, and other people have beaten him near to death...Joker is one of those people where if you attempt to kill him, you damn well better get the job done because god help you if you don't.

When Joker is in Arkham he is under the care of mental health providers and not direct guards. He isn't in black gate. He is in a straight jacket.

 

[DuskAlloy]

He doesn't know where it would end if he started. Because if you can justify one death, you can justify them all. It's a valid saying.

No its not that he would blur the lines... I mean he would go bat-shit insane and kill even people like jay walkers, this was mentioned when Jason Todd came back that Batman was saying that he was crazy

 

[Compbros]

Spanning all comic books.. Not just DC.. There is a reason so many follow Spidey and Batman, they have been around a long time.. And have the best and most notable rogues gallery. Even non fans or just casual movie goers can make at least one bad guy from Spider-man and Batman.

BECAUSE they have movies. Most notable is without question because they've had several forms of media (many cartoons, movies, dvd releases, etc....) but notoriety doesn't equal better.

I pity the poor guard that kills joker.

The wrath of Harley would be one thing I would not want to have....


Joker has been shot at before, and other people have beaten him near to death...Joker is one of those people where if you attempt to kill him, you damn well better get the job done because god help you if you don't.

When Joker is in Arkham he is under the care of mental health providers and not direct guards. He isn't in black gate. He is in a straight jacket.

This doesn't tell me what the consequences of killing Joker are in Universe.

 

[DuskAlloy]

I pity the poor guard that kills joker.

The wrath of Harley would be one thing I would not want to have....


Joker has been shot at before, and other people have beaten him near to death...Joker is one of those people where if you attempt to kill him, you damn well better get the job done because god help you if you don't.

When Joker is in Arkham he is under the care of mental health providers and not direct guards. He isn't in black gate. He is in a straight jacket.

Nightwing actually killed the Joker, but then Batman had to give him cpr and somehow revive him even though he was pronounced dead, it's one of the reasons I really prefer Nightwing over Batman, Dick showed that he could cross the line if necessary, but batman cant

 

[TakeAChance]

No its not that he would blur the lines... I mean he would go bat-shit insane and kill even people like jay walkers, this was mentioned when Jason Todd came back that Batman was saying that he was crazy

It's the same thing. He doesn't know where it ends if he kills one person. Once you intentionally kill someone, you kind of have no reason not to kill another...especially if they piss you off. What do you have to lose?

 

[TakeAChance]

Nightwing actually killed the Joker, but then Batman had to give him cpr and somehow revive him even though he was pronounced dead, it's one of the reasons I really prefer Nightwing over Batman, Dick showed that he could cross the line if necessary, but batman cant

Batman didn't want Nightwing to face the backlash and psychological challenge of knowing that he actually killed someone.

 

[randomdude]

Doesn't that not make him a fantastic villain? Everyone in the world wants him dead...but no one can seem to kill him.

no... because it's the writer's fault, and he's too popular to die. when nightwing killed him bruce revived him. he went full retarded.

 

[DuskAlloy]

It's the same thing. He doesn't know where it ends if he kills one person. Once you intentionally kill someone, you kind of have no reason not to kill another...especially if they piss you off. What do you have to lose?

Thats why I never liked batman, he is insane and should not be a superhero if one day he accidently kills someone and goes off the deep end

 

[xWEBSx]

BECAUSE they have movies. Most notable is without question because they've had several forms of media (many cartoons, movies, dvd releases, etc....) but notoriety doesn't equal better.

Sure it does.. There is a reason WHY Spider-man and Batman have multiple forms of media, there is a reason why kids run around with Spidey sneeks and Batman undies, and not a Shazam T-shirt or Hawkeye hat...
Multiple media outlets lead to popularity which in turn can bring fans into the comic realm and increase reader numbers- thus making them more familiar, more popular and just the characters themselves but all characters associated with that world/book. There is a reason Spidey and Bats have been as popular and around as long as they have- outstanding rogues gallery only fuels that.

 

[Compbros]

Batman didn't want Nightwing to face the backlash and psychological challenge of knowing that he actually killed someone.

He did kill him though, he just didn't stay dead. He beat the Joker to death and Batman revived him. Coming back 5 minutes later or 5 years later is still killing Joker.

 

[TakeAChance]

BECAUSE they have movies. Most notable is without question because they've had several forms of media (many cartoons, movies, dvd releases, etc....) but notoriety doesn't equal better.





This doesn't tell me what the consequences of killing Joker are in Universe.

The consequences of killing him vary depending on the story told. I guess a universal consequence would be Harley quinn going crazy and probably taking their men and gunning down random people. Joker is just crazy enough that he would have some stupid device on his heart or something. Once it stopped beating it would probably do something stupid.

I don't know...His character is setup in a way where no one EVER wants to have the Joker pissed at them...

 

[randomdude]

Batman's reasoning is quite valid. He doesn't kill ANY of his villains because he wants to clean up his city and show the people that living a normal life and believing in the Justice System works. That's why Dent was so tragic. He was the front runner in that.

If Batman goes around and starts killing the rogues, that gives off the message that anyone can just start offing people and have no consequence "I killed this robber. The batman kills people all the time!"

He becomes an excuse to murder instead of one that prevails through justice.

the joker is beyond any kind of saving. even inside justice they can kill him. but noooo, he's fucking insane.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Batman didn't want Nightwing to face the backlash and psychological challenge of knowing that he actually killed someone.

It wasnt a good way to go about it, I would of even perferred a comic book cop out where Joker comes back from the dead somehow after 2 months, but instead they have to make batman want to be father figure for some reason despite the fact that Nightwing is a grown ass man and should of said no to bruce and finished him, but then I guess batman wouldnt have a rival and fans would be pissed until they brought him back in a week

 

[TakeAChance]

He did kill him though, he just didn't stay dead. He beat the Joker to death and Batman revived him. Coming back 5 minutes later or 5 years later is still killing Joker.

yes, Nightwing killed him, but there was no backlash, no feeling of guilt because the world didn't lose anyone. The Joker was still alive. He was dead for a minute, but he was not permanently dead. Nightwing can go on knowing that he can make the decision to kill a man to save thousands, but now Bruce has to live knowing that he just saved a man who will kill thousands.

Bruce and Dick have a weird relationship. You have to know their history to understand why he did what he did.

 

[Briggs8417]

Lex is smarter than Joker and insane as fuck without it being "in your face". His God Complex is ridiculous.

Lex and Norman Osborn are whole 'nother levels of insane from most characters.

 

[TakeAChance]

the joker is beyond any kind of saving. even inside justice they can kill him. but noooo, he's fucking insane.

They can't inside justice because he IS insane. That's how he isn't put to the chair. He can't be held liable for his actions.

 

[randomdude]

yes, Nightwing killed him, but there was no backlash, no feeling of guilt because the world didn't lose anyone. The Joker was still alive. He was dead for a minute, but he was not permanently dead. Nightwing can go on knowing that he can make the decision to kill a man to save thousands, but now Bruce has to live knowing that he just saved a man who will kill thousands.

Bruce and Dick have a weird relationship. You have to know their history to understand why he did what he did.

nightwing has the balls to kill the joker and live on. batman doesn't

 

[Killzone]

He doesn't know where it would end if he started. Because if you can justify one death, you can justify them all. It's a valid saying.

You don't have to solve it by killing the person.
Even though it could be argued that one life is a good exchange for the lives of 1000 more people, so in my opinion Batman should do it.

But even if they go with the regular BS and don't let him kill the opponents, which is fine and I totally get your point ... they still don't even let Batman mutilate his opponents. Batman is schooled in everything, probably more skilled than Jack The Ripper, when it comes to medicine and picking someone apart.
I don't see a reason why Batman shouldn't cut off Jokers legs and arms. He wouldn't kill him, but he would immobilize him and save millions in the process.
It's not like Jokers does much walking anyway, when he is locked away in Arkham in a cell. At least until a writer comes up with the idea to let him break out of Arkham once again and that's it. It's the idea to let them break out of the facility, rearely ever showcasing how.
If Batman is not that much into cutting, then why doesn't he come up with prison on the Moon, LOL! Or at least on an island, where it's not so easy for the villains to simply go to a weapon shop, kill the owner, steal the weapons and kill some more people until Batman arrives.

There was that one brilliant ... and by brilliant I mean BRILLIANT story about Batman. It was just one issue during a Batman crisis and there it was explained that the death of Batmans parents sent Batman over the edge. He became insane (which is basically is anyway) and Alfred had to come up with something to see him happy again, so he called his friends from the theater, who then came to Gotham City to play Batmans villains like Two-Face, Catwoman and so on. They even built Arkham, where they would lock them again.
And even Alfred himself was playing a role in Batmans life:

That shit amazed me man. I was like: "You have to be the smartest person on this entire planet to come up with something like that and execute it to near perfection!"