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Which comic character has the best rogues gallery?

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
I don't write the material.

Lex has everything to fear from the Joker. Honestly, Lex is the smartest man on the planet, but Joker is no slouch.

Joker is almost as smart as batman as far as his planning and contingencies go.
Lex luthor is rich and fights the man of steel on a daily basis, he should be able to wipe the Joker off of the face of the earth... but Joker has the super power that all batman characters do... plot armor
 
Still, it's there written in text.
well, both batman and joker are pretty overrated, so it doesn't surprise me that some writer put that statement in the story.

anyway, IMO i like flash's villains because the rogues are just normal dudes doing what they're best at. they're not that gimmicky (except their powers), they're human. even zoom has a reason to go batshit homicidal crazy, to make heroes better through tragedy, joker does it for the evulz.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Lex luthor is rich and fights the man of steel on a daily basis, he should be able to wipe the Joker off of the face of the earth... but Joker has the super power that all batman characters do... plot armor

As I said, I do not write the books lol.

Joker has gone toe to toe with the man of steel and has lived as well. Just throwing that out there.

Technically, Supes could destroy lex anytime he wanted, but the consequences of doing so are usually too great. Much like the Joker.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
As I said, I do not write the books lol.

Joker has gone toe to toe with the man of steel and has lived as well. Just throwing that out there.

Technically, Supes could destroy lex anytime he wanted, but the consequences of doing so are usually too great. Much like the Joker.
In a fight Superman would destroy the Joker in half a second, but im guessing there was some story where somehow joker beat superman with green kryptonite (which shouldnt happen but its a batman book so it doesnt have to be consistent with superman's stories) and batman saves the day right?
 
I hate when they do that, they try to make the batman characters be more relevent then they actually are, I mean what does Lex, black manta, proffessor zoom, captain cold, or even weaker characters like bane have to fear from the joker?
nothing at all.
 
I agree that Batman's greatest power is the power of the writers lol, but I find his rogues fascinating.
I like some of his rogues like Poison Ivy, Clayface, Man-Bat and others where it's somewhat believable that they can defend themselves. When it comes to other rogues like Joker and Two-Face who should not have it as easy, they still get through with everything. In a perfect comic policemen would simply kill away the Joker rather than putting him into Arkham over and over and over again, where he escapes from, just to kill 100 more people.
At one point Nightwing killed the Joker by beating the living shit out of him and I was like: "SHIT YES, FINALLY! Hopefully I won't have to see that retarded, plot-powered character for the next 10 years! What happened? Batman gave his boyfriend mouth to mouth and brought him back to life. He turned around to Nightwing: "DICK, I don't want you to be like them! You would never be able to forgive yourself!"

It's stupid. I like Flash villains more, because some of his main villains are really interesting like Zoom, who is actually implented in his past and I think at one point it was even stated that he was involved in Flash becoming the Flash. Or that Zoom is actually the most powerful being on DC Earth, because of his powerset.
Captain Cold with his moral codex and the way he leads the rogues. Even the others who are somewhat even more evil and twisted than they look like and so on.

But no one can keep with Spider-Man. His rogue-gallery is the best gallery ever happened to comics. It's so colorful, with characters who all have so much unique personality and powers and also have a rich history, some of them even with Spider-Man.

But the best rogue is still the Void. Let's be serious right here. If you're the heroes nemesis and at the same time the hero himself ... it doesn't get much better than that.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
well, both batman and joker are pretty overrated, so it doesn't surprise me that some writer put that statement in the story.

anyway, IMO i like flash's villains because the rogues are just normal dudes doing what they're best at. they're not that gimmicky (except their powers), they're human. even zoom has a reason to go batshit homicidal crazy, to make heroes better through tragedy, joker does it for the evulz.

Read the Killing Joke. That version of his Backstory truly does give him a tragic background. He gets tricked by some mobsters in order to make ends meet for his pregnant wife. It all spirals downhill from there...

Mr.Freeze's story (especially told by the animated series) is one of the most tragic backstories a villain could have. He wasn't even a true villain during his introduction...you had to sympathize with him that much.

Two-Face. Tragic character. Had everything going for him, got in a horrible accident, and his split personality took over.

Mad Hatter - Was in love with a girl (alice) who constantly rejected him due to his freakish state. So, he developed a way to get what he wanted. (mind control)

There are a lot of tragic villains.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
But the best rogue is still the Void. Let's be serious right here. If you're the heroes nemesis and at the same time the hero himself ... it doesn't get much better than that.
Venom could also be classified like that too, but I always love the villains who are personally connected to the hero with out it being cheesy, good characters like this are Zoom, Green Goblin, Jay Jonah Jameson (He has nearly killed spiderman so many times he might as well be a rogue), and in a way the Hulk
 
Read the Killing Joke. That version of his Backstory truly does give him a tragic background. He gets tricked by some mobsters in order to make ends meet for his pregnant wife. It all spirals downhill from there...

Mr.Freeze's story (especially told by the animated series) is one of the most tragic backstories a villain could have. He wasn't even a true villain during his introduction...you had to sympathize with him that much.

Two-Face. Tragic character. Had everything going for him, got in a horrible accident, and his split personality took over.

Mad Hatter - Was in love with a girl (alice) who constantly rejected him due to his freakish state. So, he developed a way to get what he wanted. (mind control)

There are a lot of tragic villains.
freeze is retarded, he's a one trick pony, and he really should get better. joker? well, doesn't matters how sad his life was, he should already be put down. two face? he's kinda all right, he should have get the chair if gotham wasn't so corrupt. mad hatter is fine.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
By contingencies I usually mean that Joker more often than not always has a backup plan. There is always a reason why you can't just kill him...whether it's Batman's code, a device strapped to his body, particular witnesses, etc etc.

You have to admit, he is pretty damn crafty.

Superman could pulverize lex just as fast as he could joker. It's superman. Don't act like Lex isn't protected by the power of the writers as well lol. All characters are to an extent or it would be the Superman show.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
Read the Killing Joke. That version of his Backstory truly does give him a tragic background. He gets tricked by some mobsters in order to make ends meet for his pregnant wife. It all spirals downhill from there...

Mr.Freeze's story (especially told by the animated series) is one of the most tragic backstories a villain could have. He wasn't even a true villain during his introduction...you had to sympathize with him that much.

Two-Face. Tragic character. Had everything going for him, got in a horrible accident, and his split personality took over.

Mad Hatter - Was in love with a girl (alice) who constantly rejected him due to his freakish state. So, he developed a way to get what he wanted. (mind control)

There are a lot of tragic villains.
Well we talked about the killing joke already but I will give you that Mr. Freeze is awesome (just not as "cool" as Captain Cold) and Two-Face has a good back story but he is one of those character who has major plot armor because batman should not have any trouble with him
 
By contingencies I usually mean that Joker more often than not always has a backup plan. There is always a reason why you can't just kill him...whether it's Batman's code, a device strapped to his body, particular witnesses, etc etc.

You have to admit, he is pretty damn crafty.

Superman could pulverize lex just as fast as he could joker. It's superman. Don't act like Lex isn't protected by the power of the writers as well lol. All characters are to an extent or it would be the Superman show.
every single guard in arkham has a reason to kill him, even if corrupt. and they should be able to.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
By contingencies I usually mean that Joker more often than not always has a backup plan. There is always a reason why you can't just kill him...whether it's Batman's code, a device strapped to his body, particular witnesses, etc etc.

You have to admit, he is pretty damn crafty.

Superman could pulverize lex just as fast as he could joker. It's superman. Don't act like Lex isn't protected by the power of the writers as well lol. All characters are to an extent or it would be the Superman show.
Superman atleast has a semi decent reason, he says that he doesnt kill because he knows how influential he is and that it would be a bad example for normal people if he started killing everyone, mind you that isnt a great reason but it still makes more sense then batman's
 
By contingencies I usually mean that Joker more often than not always has a backup plan. There is always a reason why you can't just kill him...whether it's Batman's code, a device strapped to his body, particular witnesses, etc etc.

You have to admit, he is pretty damn crafty.

Superman could pulverize lex just as fast as he could joker. It's superman. Don't act like Lex isn't protected by the power of the writers as well lol. All characters are to an extent or it would be the Superman show.
lex is actually smart as fuck. more than batman :p.
 
Simply amazing.
I agree man:

Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Sandman, Hydro Man, Venom, Carnage, Vulture, Rhino, Kraven the Hunter, Jack 'O Lantern, Spot, Doctor Octopus, Mysterio, Shocker, Scorpion, Electr, Lizard, Morbius ... IT JUST NEVER STOPS!

Venom could also be classified like that too, but I always love the villains who are personally connected to the hero with out it being cheesy, good characters like this are Zoom, Green Goblin, Jay Jonah Jameson (He has nearly killed spiderman so many times he might as well be a rogue), and in a way the Hulk
Yeah, Spider-Man is the only character where it's hard for me to tell who is arch-nemesis is ... For Batman it's the Joker, for Superman it's Lex Luthor and so on, but Spider-Man?
He had Venom, the first opponent he was actually scared off, because Venom was superior in every way. He also had Doctor Octopus, who challenged Spider-Mans superior intellect over and over and over again, giving him a run for his money on a regular basis. And then you also had the Green Goblin, who ... well, Green Goblin, you know :-| (I hate the Green Goblin / Gwen Stacy non-sense though ... should have never been brought up - I was a fan of the Peter + Gwen pairing)

But yeah, because of my own personal bias the best rogue ever is the Void. I find that concept to be way too amazing, even though it's already based on an already existing idea.
I'm happy that Rick Remender is bringing the Void back to some degree in the upcoming Uncanny Avengers comics.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Superman atleast has a semi decent reason, he says that he doesnt kill because he knows how influential he is and that it would be a bad example for normal people if he started killing everyone, mind you that isnt a great reason but it still makes more sense then batman's

Batman's reasoning is quite valid. He doesn't kill ANY of his villains because he wants to clean up his city and show the people that living a normal life and believing in the Justice System works. That's why Dent was so tragic. He was the front runner in that.

If Batman goes around and starts killing the rogues, that gives off the message that anyone can just start offing people and have no consequence "I killed this robber. The batman kills people all the time!"

He becomes an excuse to murder instead of one that prevails through justice.