I didn't even know a single flash villain until earlier this year. Captain Cold is really good, but that's about it. Professor zoom is about as original as painting shit white.
Joker IS the definitive best villain of all time. There has been no other villain that has done more than him especially considering he has no metahuman powers...he is just a chaotic manipulative lunatic that can make us all laugh and shudder out of creepyness.
There is a reason why all DC villains fear the joker.
Xmen villains are just...ok. Magneto when he was a full blown villain was awesome. Apocalypse was cool too. Other than that? Do Sentinels really count as a true villain? They are more like weapons to me.
I consider Flash's rogues to be very weak tbh.
I am pretty dispositioned to psychological killers, which most of Batman's rogues are representatives of (certain psychological disorders) so that factors my opinion heavily.
Also, if we are going to bring up really dumb villains from each line...
Stryfe? Mojo? FOREARM!?
I can't even name a bad flash villain because I only know two of his rogues...Captain Cold and Professor Zoom...Is Mirror Master one of his? I know Grundy and Grodd have dipped their feet in his universe a couple times.
Not knowing who they aren't doesn't make them any more or less relevant to this conversation. He has a very good Rouge Gallery, people just don't know them.
Joker has done a lot with no powers but so what? That doesn't automatically put him in the "best villain" category just because you do a lot without lifting a car. Norman Osborn and Lex Luthor are SO much more manipulative and disruptive to their heroes. Joker likes to screw with Batman and do things for the sake of doing things and, again, others do that as well but better.
What? "All DC Villains fear Joker"? When did this happen?
The Hellfire Club, Stryker, Juggernaut (the brotherhood of mutants in general), Onslaught.
They're not, he has some amazing people that have done some terrible things.
Psychological killers? Joker, Szasz, Scarecrow, Two-Face.......who else?
Everyone has dumb villains, I just love pointing out Calender Man.
Cold, Grodd, Mirror Master, Zoom, Weather Wizard.
I don't know, I think it's less their motivations, I mean the X-Men in general try and survive. I think the design/powers of most of the characters are cool. Magneto's character in general over such a long time is incredible. I like that Juggernaut was fleshed out as an actual human being too. I think Sabertooth is still a bit crap because he rarely seems to change. Hellfire, aliens, Mojo... it's a big gallery of rouges.
I was going to mention him, but I read a story about him recently that was good.
Also he was creepy as shit in Arkham City
His are an honorable mention, but not sure where they fit in a top ten... some of his Rouges are pathetic.
Yeah, they have such a LARGE list of enemies that it's easier to get some amazing ones. Having 100 villains makes it easier to get 20 fantastic ones than having 20 outta 30. Spider-man's gallery consists of about 4 non-great villains, the ratio is astounding.
I just like to bring him up.
So are other people's.
Edit: You know what, what do people classify as "a great rogue gallery"? This might make it easier for discussion.
